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Long Dalmahoy Road closed to cyclists

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  1. Ed1
    Member

    Long Dalmahoy Road has been closed past the turn of for Ravelrig road during week days for several months. Cyclists have always been able to get past. Today the road was closed before the turn off to Ravelrig road. When cycling down farmer got out tractor and said road closed the sign is out. The sign is always out.

    Today I had to cycle all the way back to Burnwind then A71 to Edinburgh. I can’t see this road closure on Edinburgh councils web site although may have missed it.

    I also wondered what is the pedestrian access requirements if any. It would be a long walk back to Burnwind then A71. There is quite a few walkers and runners often

    Posted 6 years ago #

  2. stiltskin
    Member

    Why is it closed?

    Posted 6 years ago #

  3. Ed1
    Member

    It is closed for water pipe installation the pipes been put below the road, it is not Scottish water but farmer that installing pipes . It has been closed most weekdays for 3 months but cyclists walkers and runners have still been able to go past. I wondered if should be a pedestrian diversion through field. I think for cycling an unreasonable diversion having to go all the way to Burnwynd then A71 but for pedestrain more so.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  4. Ed1
    Member

    the diversion.

    diversion.
    The diversion is excessively long for cycling walking

    walking diversion

    Posted 6 years ago #

  5. Ed1
    Member

    Does the council have to give permission for a road closure and is there conditions that need to be applied such as pedestrian access? I was a speaking to a colleague that believed there should be reasonable pedestrian access and that if this was instated could then push my bike through this route. Anyone know the rules on road closures and if any objection to council is possible or likely to be fruitful. I dont like cycling the A71 that much colleague seems to think pursing pedestrian access may be more effective

    should Long Dalmahoy Road and Ravelrig road be on the list

    http://edinburgh.cdmf.info/public/disruptions/list.htm

    https://www.transport.gov.scot/transport-network/roads/road-orders/

    Where can I check the authority for this closure order to see if any conditions apply and to check its not obstruction.

    It seems strange that councils allows both Ravelrig road and Long Dalmahoy Road to be closed at the same time.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  6. Frenchy
    Member

    The diversion is excessively long for cycling walking

    Definitely, although I'm not sure what the actual laws/guidance are.

    Worth raising with a councillor - the local ones are listed here: http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/councillors/specificWard/2/pentland_hills

    Posted 6 years ago #

  7. Ed1
    Member

    The council are looking in to my complaint about the road being closed and no pedestrian access it says will be 5 days for a response. It also does seem strange that the road works is not on the council list of closed roads or council map for closed roads.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  8. gembo
    Member

    @ed1 is it the farmer who is doing it? Is the farmer Lord Roseberry who sold all the land for housing. Soon there will be no fields left

    Posted 6 years ago #

  9. Frenchy
    Member

    If you haven't already, it'd be worth getting in touch with the council's access officer (outdooraccess[at]edinburgh.gov.uk).

    Long Dalmahoy Road is designated as a core path from Kirknewton to Gowanhill Farm Road. I could be wrong, but my understanding is that this means it should only be closed to pedestrians in exceptional circumstances. This may be the case here, but it is odd that the council's website doesn't mention it.

    Scotways may also be able to provide advice.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  10. jonty
    Member

    https://twitter.com/edintravel on road closure issues it seems easier to get a more instant response from this twitter account

    Posted 6 years ago #

  11. rbrtwtmn
    Member

    For fun you can read the
    land reform act, and the
    outdoor access code.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  12. redmist
    Member

    Just to clarify, is it closed between Ravelrig Rd and Gownhill Farm Rd ? Its not marked on google maps. Just wondering if you can still cycle east along Long Dalmahoy Rd then turn right up the Ravelrig Rd climb to Balerno.
    Strange that a private individual is allowed to close a public road.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  13. Ed1
    Member

    if you cycle down Ravelrig Rd road to Long Dalmahoy Rd you can not turn left to kirknewton direction. You can only turn right in Gowanhill Farm direction.

    I joined twitter yesterday and asked Edinburgh travel news about the closure this is the response. I asked why the road is not on the list of roadworks on the Edinburgh web site.

    Edinburgh Travel News
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    @edintravel
    17h17 hours ago
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    Replying to @edword02633029
    Hmm. The list is maintained by us, that work isn't on there because we don't know about it. We shall put that right in the morning. Sorry for the inconvenience, and thank you for making us aware.

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    Posted 6 years ago #

  14. redmist
    Member

    Ed1 - thanks for that. It is quite a well used road by both car and cycle traffic, I'm really surprised that it can be "unofficially" closed.
    I see Leyden Rd is also closed for weeks. Seems like I should avoid that loop altogether :-(

    Posted 6 years ago #

  15. redmist
    Member

    Confusing that the Edinburgh Travel site says the roadworks are "Between Ravelrig Road and Warriston Farm Road" which means east of Ravelrig Rd.
    Looks like I'll need to go and check for myself...

    Posted 6 years ago #

  16. Ed1
    Member

    there was road works that way until last week when the road works moved down blocking the other direction. Until last week they let me go past on my bike through gap or once pushed past. Last Friday when the road works moved the other way the farmer stopped tractor and told me I can not go past the sign.

    They have just added the update on the web site today. Yesterday it has no road closure showing. Now it has the wrong road closure. It is not closed in that direction this week. It was closed in that direction for months. Now its closed turning left from Ravelrig Road.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  17. Ed1
    Member

    Edinburgh travel is now claiming local access to residents, unless things have changed in 3 hours there is not, not even walking or bicycle access. I had to cycle taking the A71 from burnwynd to get to edinburgh.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  18. redmist
    Member

    Thanks for the clarification Ed1. You can understand my confusion. It must be very fruatrating and annoying if that is your regular cycle route (as it is for a number of people). The diversion is totally unacceptable.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  19. Ed1
    Member

    ticking the boxes for complaint to council Long Dalmahoy Rd is adopted, would we be correct in thinking there should be a RTO road traffic order for the road to be closed. I am having trouble locating a list of RTOs on Edinburgh council web site

    Edinburgh travel have updated the location betweem Ravelrig Road and Newhouse Livery Yard yet they have not taken down the incorrect information
    "Road closed to through traffic, local access for residents maintained."

    Posted 6 years ago #

  20. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    'local access' means all residences are still accessible from one side of the closure or another (nothing about convenience or acceptability). Is this not the case?

    I think I'd be exploring a route across the fields by now...

    Posted 6 years ago #

  21. Ed1
    Member

    the distance of what was 200 meters 5.6 miles extra the same if walking Can not even walk past from one side to the other. The 4 fences on the road take up the entire road to the edge of verge, when tried to cycle past on Friday the farmer got out tractor and told me not allowed down the road.

    I tried a field today but was 2 fences water marsh and wall.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  22. Ed1
    Member

    Dear Mr X

    Thank you for your email of 13 August 2018 regarding the closure on Long Dalmahoy Road for the water pipe installation works.

    The road closure on Long Dalmahoy Road is for general traffic to allow safe working due to width restrictions. There is still meant to be access for local residents, pedestrians and cyclists.

    I have taken this up with the contractor to ensure they keep the appropriate access available. They will be placing additional signs at either end of the closure to advise of ‘through access only for residents, pedestrians and cyclist’.

    I apologise for any inconvenience that you have experienced with these works and should you have any further queries please contact me.

    Regards

    xxx
    Senior Transport Team Leader

    South West Locality
    The City of Edinburgh Council,

    10 Westside Plaza

    Edinburgh EH14 2ST

    ...........................................................

    Is the access the council refereeing to the 5.6 mile walk around the A71 with no pavement to cover a 100 meters of road closure? Is it the 2 hour walk 7.1 miles walk to Balerno on the A71 instead of the 20 minutes quiet walk?

    "They will be placing additional signs at either end of the closure to advise of ‘through access only for residents, pedestrians and cyclist’." there is no access through for anyone.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  23. chdot
    Admin

    WELL DONE!

    Posted 6 years ago #

  24. Ed1
    Member

    Not quite, the road is still closed to pedestrians and cyclists there is now just signs sayings cyclists and pedestrians access on the bit that is not fully closed. The closed part blocking the route 75 is still fully closed. All the council have done is have the contractor put up signs saying local access for cyclists and pedestrians there are until the part of the road that is fully closed. Still a 7 mile walk to Balerno around the A71 when normally 1.3 miles-)

    Think i need better camera can not make that sign out

    closed signs

    Posted 6 years ago #

  25. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    I think you need to write back to Mr XXXX of South West Locality with a clearer photo of the barriers to demonstrate the contractors/farmer are not "keep(ing) the appropriate access available" and ask him to escalate it immediately.

    From your other photo, there is plenty of room for a ped/cycle corridor on the untouched half of the road.

    If it was me, for that distance of closure, guerrilla tactics would prevail over a 5.7 mile diversion.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  26. Ed1
    Member

    Yes will do some more photos

    Posted 6 years ago #

  27. Ed1
    Member

    [/img]TRO by the works is 2017 and states pedestrian flow must be maintained. Where do I check the TRO. Surely this would be the starting point when I raised this with council. They did not have road works on map until I said then they put it on the wrong part of wrong road. Now that is corrected. Surely the first step would be for the council to check the TRO. A colleague of mine suspects they may not have a current one and council wasting time while backdated one the council appear to be getting information from the contractor rather than the information they should already have, what was signed off. Are TRO not on the council web ?

    Rosebery confirmed" I'm sorry to hear about the problems you have encountering, this doesn't fall under the ownership of Rosebery Estates however"

    The digger is parked in Newhouse livery yard and the building development site is further up

    I spoke to a helpful person in the council today who does not work in roads but is looking in to the lack of pedestrian access. [/img][/img]

    Posted 6 years ago #

  28. Frenchy
    Member

    I can't find any TRO for Long Dalmahoy Road on tellmescotland's archive: https://www.tellmescotland.gov.uk/archive-notices/map

    Posted 6 years ago #

  29. Ed1
    Member

    yesterday evening Ed

    I have spoken to xxxx this morning regarding Long Dalmahoy Road.

    One of the local road inspectors spoke to the traffic management contractor yesterday to enforce the message that pedestrian access through the site must be maintained.

    ........................

    Last night went through the road works when no one there was 5 separate fences could not even fit past on verge with out moving barriers dont think the farmer is particularly complaint.

    Posted 6 years ago #

  30. Ed1
    Member

    I got through this this morning. Council are checking the access on site today. I think will be able to go through from now on. Today needed to dismount push and lift bike a bit wide as has bags but is now passable

    Posted 6 years ago #

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