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Lowering the gearing on my CDF

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  1. steveo
    Member

    I've mentioned this before but I find the gearing on my CDF too high, the 1:1 low gear is find for most road work but struggles on lose steep stuff, add luggage and you're hoofing it. Don't want a triple up front, I'd need to change my shifter.

    Options I can see are-

    stay 9spd get a bigger cassette and new rear mech to add capacity but its never going to be a big difference over a 34-11

    Also stay 9spd but change my front mech and chainset for a mtb one, I think this will work not sure though.

    Go future proof and get a 1x11 system from SRAM.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. amir
    Member

    If it helps, I managed to get a road front derailleur working with the mtb chainset on my tourer.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. Darkerside
    Member

    Option c, so long as you've got no fundamental aversion to 11 speed and a bit of cash to throw at it.

    I've got a 1x9 on my upright with a bar end shifter, and it's lovely. And a SRAM 2x11 on the recumbent, which is equally lovely and only really 2x because I wanted the mother-of-all bailout gears at the low end.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    You're not going to get much more range than a 34-11 cassette I reckon. Option C seems most feasible but is a fair outlay maybe? Unless you fit a wide range hub gear, but that's a different challenge!

    MTB front mech might not play nicely with brifters.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. jonty
    Member

    https://road.cc/content/feature/246424-how-get-ultra-low-gearing-gravel-bike-adventures

    This article is mainly about 11 speed groupsets but seems to suggest you might be able to chuck an 11-40 on and go.

    My long term plan for my CdF is to go 1x11 SRAM, but that's mainly because I've fallen out with my front derailleur.

    edit: oh and I've been using this a lot.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. steveo
    Member

    1x11 groupset, we do like spending money over here :D

    Wonder if I can get this on cycle scheme.
    https://www.merlincycles.com/sram-rival-1x11-gravel-build-kit-108055.html

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. amir
    Member

    "If it helps, I managed to get a road front derailleur working with the mtb chainset on my tourer. "
    To clarify - tiagra brake/shifters levers, 9 speed road front derailleur, 3 x 9 mtb chainset. Works fine

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. steveo
    Member

    To clarify - tiagra brake/shifters levers, 9 speed road front derailleur, 3 x 9 mtb chainset. Works fine

    Cheers amir, I'll see if I can get a mtb chainset cheap in the first instance. I'm worried about spacing on a road frame I think the inner ring on a mtb double sits nearer the frame than an equivalent road double.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. steveo
    Member

    Looks like £300-£400 for the 11 speed upgrade. Not terribly expensive but it'll probably keep till spring now no point grinding brand new gear away through autumn storms and winter grit.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. wingpig
    Member

    "...because I've fallen out with my front derailleur..."

    I spent a couple of years not bothering with anything other than the middle ring on my old Sora triple crank spider on my LHT, mostly due to an inability for any front mech I bought which called itself a triple to have sufficient movement to reach both non-middle rings, so on my most recent annualish drivetrain replacement I stuck a chainguard on the outside, hoping to run things as a sort of 2*9, only to find that the latest front mech didn't even move in far enough. For some reason, in the past couple of months the inner ring has decided to become accessible, so I've been occasionally popping onto the inner ring instead of using the smallest sprocket, which keeps moving out of range. I'm also currently deliberately preventing myself from getting at the smallest sprocket until I resolve the cassette-lockring-loosening-itself issue, which joins forces with the stupid positioning of the rack and mudguard lugs in allowing the heads of bolts to be in just the right place to persuade the chain to jam between them and a 11-13-ish-toothed sprocket and which was possibly the cause of my elbow-ripping adventure on Easter Road earlier last year.

    On this year's drivetrain replacement (imminent, following a chain incident the other week which I fear might have weakened it) I was going to stick a large chainring back on, keep the inner ring and re-mount the mudguard and rack with cut-down bolts.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. amir
    Member

    @wingpig are you combining a road derailleur with road levels, or mtb levers with a mtb derailleur? Mixtures may not work

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. wingpig
    Member

    @mir Nup. Road-labelled 3*9-rated mech, road-labelled triple left-hand shifter. Irrespective of what the shifter could cope with, the minimum and maximum position of the mech (with all limiting screws at their least limiting), when pushed and pulled by hand rather than the shifter cable didn't appear to be sufficient to do any more than make the chain scrape past it, certainly not actually drag it off the middle chainring. As I'd bought the mech several months earlier in a sale I didn't bother returning it but just re-mounted the mostly gummed-up previous version which had not memorably accessed the inner chainring for a couple of years.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. jonty
    Member

    Ouch. Mine just went squint a couple of times.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. paddyirish
    Member

    Interesting, I was having a similar conversation about my Cdf on Wednesday night when I picked up my bike post service. I've decided to go down the triple route and like you plan to make the change in the spring.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. ejstubbs
    Member

    @steveo: Also stay 9spd but change my front mech and chainset for a mtb one, I think this will work not sure though.

    If it's of any interest, I have a Shimano Tiagra triple 50-39-30 chainset off my 2011 Tricross which is sitting around looking for a purpose in life at the moment. I did plan to see if I could move it on via eBay but if you want to try it on your CdF then let me know. I have the triple brake/shifter as well. The only thing I don't have available is the BB. The setup was working fine when I took it off. According to my records that I've recently updated, it had done about 600km from new.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. ejstubbs
    Member

    Should say, the front mech is a braze-on fitting.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  17. Snowy
    Member

    @steveo A 36-11 9spd cassette can be had new for not much - it might feel more different than you think?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  18. steveo
    Member

    Feels like spring is erm, sprining so thought I'd revisit this. Also going to add hydraulic discs, the mechanical ones just don't cut it on rough stuff with luggage.

    Cheapest I can find a SRAM Apex 1 group set is ~£500 which seemed like new bike money to me. A quick search threw up a PX with the same spec for £700.

    Now I'm thinking just get the new bike but the cdf hasn't done that much milage and it seems a little unfaithful to get rid so soon.

    I suspect the CDF has the better frame full steel vs alu and carbon forks but its a fair bit of hassle to transplant the bits.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. ejstubbs
    Member

    If it's of any help, my Tiagra triple chainset is still sitting in my garage looking for a home. I also have the triple brifter that used to operate it (and a matching 9-speed right-hand brifter), but you'd have to source a triple front mech as my old one ended up rusted solid as a result of my stupidity. Free to you if you want it, otherwise I'll probably see if the Bike Station would be interested.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  20. steveo
    Member

    cheers @ejstubbs. I'm not sure if my mech can handle the extra chain etc. Its a minefield trying to get stuff to play together!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. ejstubbs
    Member

    I also have the original 9-speed Deore LX rear mech that worked with that chainset and the bike's original 11-32 cassette (I may even have that cassette, not 100% sure). Compatibility shouldn't be a a problem between all those parts, just need to be careful picking a front mech...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  22. steveo
    Member

    I'm not sure if the rear mech has the same cable pull as my levers.

    If you're not wanting much cash I'll take that gear off you as I'm not sure it's the answer I initially thought.

    Looking at the standard ratio of the 1x11 it's not actually any lower @42/42 so the same 1:1 as currently on the bike.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  23. ejstubbs
    Member

    Have PMed you.

    Summary:

    The Tiagra brifters I have spare worked fine with the Deore LZ rear mech, and with my Shimano mechanical disc front brake, before I updated my entire groupset (bar the actual brakes). The chainrings had done about 600km before being swappped off the bike.

    I was going to offer the stuff to Bike Station anyway so I'd be happy to let you have it FoC (you might consider a couple-of-beers-worth donation to the Bike Station, or Spokes, or some other relevant organisation of your choice, instead).

    Posted 5 years ago #
  24. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @steveo

    Smaller wheels mate. Brompton or something.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  25. steveo
    Member

    @ejstubbs sorry for not replying had one of those weeks.

    @iwrats bigger engine! 1200cc maybe!

    Posted 5 years ago #

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