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wheels - LBS or DIY?

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  • Started 6 years ago by urchaidh
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  1. urchaidh
    Member

    Having come back from holiday with a broken spoke on my 'dad bike' and a possible minor warp in one of the kids' wheels I'm considering trying to learn a bit of wheel maintenance.

    Normally the wheels would be off the the LBS for this sort of thing, they're pretty good and reasonably priced, but this sort of job is only going to get more frequent and so I should maybe learn to do it myself.

    The obvious danger is that I'll end up at the LBS anyway, with wheels in a worse state than when I started, listening to air being sucked in through clenched teeth and being asked 'what cowboy did that for you?"

    So, any advice or pointers, either on my specific problem of replacing a spoke and truing a wheel, or in a more general wheel maintenance sense?

    Posted 6 years ago #
  2. unhurt
    Member

    Advice: when faced with tooth-sooking lie through your own teeth. Never admit it!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  3. wingpig
    Member

    Read both Sheldon's wheelbuilding page and the equivalent from Zinn's bike maintenance textbook if possible.

    Get a spoke key - one of the circular ones with multiple sizes is best - you might already have some popular sizes on multi-tools or toolsets.

    Get a packet of Lidl/Aldi baby wipes for cleaning your fingers after touching the wheels.

    Start with the warped wheel, assuming it's side-side warped rather than in-out: Upend the bike. Pluck all the spokes and listen to the pitch. Compare to a similar non-warped wheel if possible to get an idea of what a non-warped wheel should sound like. If it's a rear wheel it'll probably be lower on the drive side. If there are any obvious major differences in pitch between the warped bit and the majority of the rest of the wheel, initially try to resolve the warp by loosening higher-pitched/tighter spokes on the side the warp waggles towards and lower-pitched/looser spokes on the side it waggles away from by adjusting single spokes a quarter-turn at a time, applying righty-tighty/lefty-loosey by imagining the spoke as a screw with the head on the rim . After each tightening or loosening lightly grab clutches of four spokes at a time (at the crossover points) and gently squidge them so that they settle.

    If the warp is not corroborated by differences in pitch, you still have to resolve it by tightening and loosening but have to watch out more for radial warp, so might have to gently and evenly tweak the spokes in the unwarped section to keep the wheel round.

    Bits which are noticeably looser or tighter than other bits but which are not warped might well decide to warp later, under appropriate knocks/bashes/use, so resolving any imbalances is generally good for wheel-health.

    For the broken spoke, you need to measure the spoke from the elbow to the tip (inside the nipple) and purchase a replacement. As it should be retained by the rim, you should be able to re-use the nipple. You might have to remove the cassette if it's a rear wheel. Follow the pattern of inward/outward poking-through seen elsewhere in the wheel and insert the new spoke, tighten the new spoke to ballparkish pitch compared to the same-side spokes elsewhere on the wheel then follow the process for truing - as you tighen the new spoke to around the correct level it might start pulling the wheel about even if it's somehow not warped already.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  4. Ask Santa to pay for you to do the EBC wheel-building course.

    I did it a number of years ago & came away with a lovely set of hand-built wheels that I still have (the parts cost me something like £80)

    Sadly, I've never built or had to maintain a wheel since, so all of the skills learned have been long-forgotten through a complete absence of use.....

    Posted 6 years ago #
  5. dougal
    Member

    @threefromleith See one, do one, teach one - presumably you're offering courses to finally consolidate those skills :-)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  6. Snowy
    Member

    I have long intended to make a basic DIY wheel truing stand such as this one. Proper ones are a bit pricey.

    The main bit of advice I remember from the wheel course was to make only small adjustments, and check often!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    “The main bit of advice I remember from the wheel course was to make only small adjustments, and check often!“

    No one told me that when I was 14...

    Posted 6 years ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    My mate at school used to dish rear wheels he'd built by jumping on them. True.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  9. le_soigneur
    Member

    re jumping: I think you are confusing wheel dishing with de-stressing.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I am confused about many things, I must admit. But not that.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  11. Arellcat
    Moderator

    While I'm sure jumping on a bicycle wheel is a great way to de-stress after a hectic day building wheels/working in the office/etc, I always referred to the wheel building step as stress relieving. I wear cycling mitts for it, as it can get hard on the hands.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  12. @dougal I can't remember what I did yesterday, never mind 10 years ago. But you're welcome to come and hear me say "No idea, sorry!" for a nominal fee :-)

    Posted 6 years ago #
  13. DaveC
    Member

    EBC have a course soon I understand.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  14. urchaidh
    Member

    Thanks for all the great advice, much appreciated. One of our number has generously offered to meet up with me at the Bike Station and talk me through the basics so we'll see how I get on.

    This forum is utterly brilliant!

    Posted 6 years ago #
  15. urchaidh
    Member

    Thanks to IWRATS (aka I would replace all those spokes) for a really useful and informative afternoon at the bike station, teaching me how to look after my poor abused wheels.

    Turns out it's a remarkably relaxing and rewarding task, have had to hand over my credit card to my wife for safe keeping until the buzz dies down a bit.

    Posted 6 years ago #
  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    useful and informative

    Can't have been me. Happy to look after your credit card mind.

    Posted 6 years ago #

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