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E-bike: gateway drug or 'the answer'?

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  1. Trixie
    Member

    As requested, I've put together some bits about my experience so far.

    I've had an e-bike for a couple of years now. I inherited her when my dad died (he bought her to enable him to continue walking the dog a bit longer). She was a no-brand risky internet purchase but has the same frame and very similar components to this bike. She's 6-speed but her assist function is either on or off, no choice of levels.

    Prior to getting 'Trixie' I'd been pedalling a vintage 3-speed shopper style bike. Having not cycled for 30 years or so, I found her very hard going and couldn't do more than a couple of miles before my legs gave out entirely. As in went noodle-y and I had trouble even walking after. I should add I was actually reasonably fit and regularly went for 10 mile walks at that point. Anyway, the noodle-legs led to me never venturing past what I knew I could do and kept my roaming area too small to be interesting. Hills were beyond me and, well, Edinburgh is full of hills! I was pretty demoralised within a few weeks despite really loving the feeling of firing along on my bike.

    Enter Trixie. The freedom was unbelievable. I now had the safety net that if I felt my legs getting tired, I could put the assist on and basically just spin my legs to get home. I could rattle up steep (Craigmillar Castle) hills without a thought. Suddenly I went from pootling round my neighbourhood to heading into town or to Porty via the Innocent. After a few weeks I took myself on a 15 mile jolly linking up as much of the off-road infra as I could. All unthinkable little adventures before. The e-bike grin is a very real thing! The more I rode, the less I needed the assist. However I always had to use it on hills because she's such a hefty wee rear-heavy monster.

    After 6 months or so of e-bike ownership, I had the chance to try out a hybrid bike that was lying unloved in a garage: 27 gears, 29 inch wheels, a whole different kettle of fish to anything I'd ridden before. I loved it. I did not need another bike; I could barely store the 2 I now had but I bought her anyway.

    'Elvira' became my weekend-only bike due to having to board her on the other side of town with someone who had space. I knew I had 12 easy miles in me on Trixie (with a bit of boost up hills) but I could do 15 on Elvira and not feel any more tired. On the e-bike, pedalling up a hill unassisted feels like someone is holding on to the back of the bike so it was only an option on very short stretches. Little by little, I got stronger and could at least manage bits of hills on the hybrid. The day I made it up the length of Cultins Road without getting off was a truly joyous one. Meanwhile, I was finally able to do a bit more on hills on Trixie the e-bike because my fitness was being boosted by using the hybrid and her very-many gears on hills.

    Yesterday, Elvira the hybrid moved in with me. For the first time, I cycled her on a route I've previously only done on Trixie. I normally use the assist at least twice on that trip. I did it all under my own steam on Elvira fairly easily.

    So I'm feeling like I may have outgrown my e-bike.

    In short, I'd probably not have carried on cycling had the e-bike not fallen in my lap. She was absolutely the gateway I needed to enable me to get fitter with the confidence that I wasn't going to end up a quivering wreck miles from home. For many people who have physical limitations on how much they can do, she is absolutely 'the answer'. For this fairly average middle-aged wumman, she was just my gateway. There comes a point where the motor is as much a hindrance in terms of the weight and drag it creates as it is a help. It's only solving the problems it creates.

    If you're thinking about getting an e-bike, do it. I've not heard of anyone yet who regretted the decision. However, don't assume your journey ends there.

    If you've already had an e-bike for a while, borrow a nice 'manual' bike and test yourself. It's quite surprising.

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  2. chdot
    Admin

    Nice title!

    Thanks for all that.

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  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Trixie

    That is glorious.

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  4. Rosie
    Member

    @Trixie – great story.

    Spokes’s summer competition theme was “My Cycling Transformation”. I expected we’d get mostly answers about new infrastructure, or joining a cycling group. We got the infra and also what we did get was a lot of entries about e-bikes and how they’d got unfit cyclists back into cycling.

    http://www.spokes.org.uk/2018/09/spokescomp-2018-cycling-lives-transformed/

    From those results we produced a factsheet about ebikes quoting these stories along with practical advice. E-bike users include Lesley MacInnes, the Transport Convener. She lives up in Liberton, which seems to be a good reason for ebike use.
    http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Fsht-ebike-pall.pdf

    I hope that car drivers will switch to e-bikes as being quicker through the city and easier to park than the automobile and less of a sweat than the purely human-powered devices.

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  5. gembo
    Member

    @Trixie, great story. Maybe you should change your handle on here now to Elvira?

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  6. Frenchy
    Member

    Does the 3-speed have a name as well?

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  7. Trixie
    Member

    The 3-speed (who went to the Bike Station) was Fenella. She didn't live in a kettle but she was a 'little old lady'. Only those of a certain age will get that reference. Trixie's Sunday name is Bellatrix.

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  8. Trixie
    Member

    @Rosie, I did mean to enter that competition but never quite got around to it.

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  9. miak
    Member

    Love this thread :-)

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  10. LaidBack
    Member

    @Trixie

    Bellatrix looked quite a tidy little machine but as you say it maybe did not 'ride that nice'.
    Did it have a throttle?
    Some older e-bikes did, but everything from Bosch and Shimano is basically servo-assisted straight to the pedals and gives enough power to let you work through the gears and still enjoy cycling. Most manage power carefully so if your one only had 'on and off' it could not adjust to your physical effort and serve up subtle amounts of assist.

    It's good to know why you went back to unpowered cycling though. I wonder how many other e-bike users would go this direction?
    My own experience demo-ing them is that they get people back onto bikes for a shot at least. I find there's a huge resistance at shop from any younger customer as on the island here the desire to cycle is considered proof that you are fit and suggesting the use of assist is taken as a personal insult. People usually say 'when I'm older'. Meanwhile in Amsterdam people are in a flat city whizzing about on e-bikes and low powered scooters.

    The Mound during EdFoC had a few 'not the usual' suspects cycling for the first time for a few decades.

    National Gallery #CleanAirDay

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  11. ejstubbs
    Member

    @LaidBack: I find there's a huge resistance at shop from any younger customer as on the island here the desire to cycle is considered proof that you are fit and suggesting the use of assist is taken as a personal insult. People usually say 'when I'm older'.

    When I bought my eMTB, I was standing outside Halfrauds checking that I had everything and everything was as it should be, when this young lad rode up on his full sus 29er. We chatted about the new bike for a bit, then he asked why I'd gone electric.

    "Old and knackered," was my answer.

    Truth be told, though, I'd not have hesitated if the technology had been available when I was ten or even twenty years younger.

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  12. LaidBack
    Member

    @ejstubbs :-) ...you may have put ideas into his head!
    Saw a black 29er e-bike with guy in black hoodie cornering fast onto Polton St at Fire Station. Bosch powered with full suspension moving same speed as traffic. No lights of course.

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  13. Trixie
    Member

    @Laidback, she rides pretty well, I think, for that style of bike. Great manoeuvrability through narrow chicanes and the like and the weight does make you feel very solid on the road. You don't half notice any roughness of surface though! I'd not like to do cobbles too often on her.

    She indeed has a throttle. Officially for helping you walk the bike uphill but it takes off like a rocket. Apart from one tweak once to test it, I've not used it. It's just too sharp an acceleration.

    She's not out to pasture yet and I will still use her sometimes for the sake of the e-bike grin. Or if my journey requires several big hills. For now, anyway.

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  14. LivM
    Member

    I'm in my mid 40s and bought an ebike this autumn. I have been mostly absent from cycling since I had my son who is now nearly 4, and although my old bike is fine(ish) for me, any time I wanted to take him anywhere in the trailer it was a knackering misery so I never did. Anyway, new bike is amazing although heavy as lead, and my justification is that I'm middle aged, I live on top of a hill and I want to keep up with my child. I've cycled several hundred miles since I got the bike and got my joie de vivre back - cycling to work and on odd excursions. I feel like I'm a person again not just a mummy.

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  15. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I got the bike and got my joie de vivre back - cycling to work and on odd excursions

    Oh wonderful. Joie de vélo!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. Stickman
    Member

    cycling to work and on odd excursions

    Odd excursions are often the best excursions.

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  17. LaidBack
    Member

    @trixie That's good that your e-bike will still get used!
    Worry with tech solutions is that old tech can become landfill if not recycled.
    Tech cos always want to sell next thing too.
    Manual bikes can keep going for ever as many members know.
    Should have the 'oldest non electric bike' in use thread.

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  18. minus six
    Member

    a heartening tale that naturally culminates in a surfeit of sleek road bikes, a reluctance to eat anything resembling cream cake and a refusal to cycle under 6,000 kilometers a year

    chapeau

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  19. sallyhinch
    Member

    Hang on, wait, at what point does the reluctance to eat cream cakes kick in? As far as I'm concerned, eating cake is part of the point...

    As a middle-aged woman who also lives on the top of a hill, I'm pretty sure my next bike will be an e-bike. The only thing holding me back is the knowledge that the minute I get one, all my other bikes might as well be landfill for all the use they'll get, but as soon as I start putting off doing things because I can't face the ride home, I'll be down to the bike shop.

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  20. minus six
    Member

    at what point does the reluctance to eat cream cakes kick in?

    for me its with the realisation that the immediacy of functional alcoholism cannot co-exist with a fondness for bread or confectionery, while maintaining good form on the road

    admittedly that's not specifically e-bike related

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  21. minus six
    Member

    @sallyinch

    i also live on top of a very steep hill

    but to more pressing matters

    is this your blue russian cat ?

    one time i was affiliated with an extraordinary blue russian

    truly extraordinary, i expect they all are

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  22. Trixie
    Member

    Yeah, I'm with Sally on the cream cakes.

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  23. minus six
    Member

    @trixie, sometimes i doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion

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  24. acsimpson
    Member

    So do you and your bike share a name or are you borrowing your bike's account.

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  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Yeah, I'm with bax on the alcohol and Blue Russians.

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  26. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Worry with tech solutions is that old tech can become landfill if not hoarded.

    Fixed that for you.

    (Powerbook 3400, Powermac 9500 and Palm Vx; the latter two are still useful!)

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  27. sallyhinch
    Member

    @bax - excellent thread drift move. She was our neighbour's cat for a while and I think was a British shorthair/blue. She certainly has a huge personality and wormed her way into our affections

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  28. chdot
    Admin

    Years since I powered up my PB1500c

    Even then it was so slow I don’t know how I managed!

    Must try my Classic ll.

    I had a brief time with the basic Palm after Psion gave up.

    Fortunately iPhones came along soon after.

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  29. rbrtwtmn
    Member

    Here's what I think is really interesting about e-bikes... they open up opportunities for less fit/able people to cycle, they effectively counter the 'what about the hills' discussion, and they go faster and further in a given time, effectively countering the 'it's too far' argument.

    While in the Netherlands this summer I heard from a group of Dutch experts and 'high heid yins' related to cycling. One key thing they suggested that the rest of the world learned from them was that they wish they had built their cycle tracks wider... because they are now needing to re-visit the designs to account for e-bike use. For those that don't know, their 'fietssnelweg' (translate) route designs are emerging very much as a reaction to e-bikes. These are not leisure routes, but practical tools to support commuting and practical journeys (many by e-bike) - which may also be used for leisure. In effect it's pretty new stuff there - experimental if you like. Exciting. Important.

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  30. chdot
    Admin

    Landfill/hoarding.

    Reuse only goes so far with ‘tech’ and I’m dubious about how much computer equipment, phones, batteries etc are properly recycled with a reasonable amount of the materials recovered for any sort of re-use.

    iPhones/iPads have certainly replaced ‘computers’ for me.

    No more large monitors and (relatively) high power consumption.

    I am conscious of energy use with the internet, but not (yet) willing to quantify...

    If only all those server farms could be used for district heating!

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