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Hit and run driver injures cyclist, East Lothian

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  1. Rosie
    Member

    Callum Anderson was cycling to his work in Gladsmuir at 7.15am when he was knocked off his bike by a car that failed to slow down or stop.

    Mr Anderson, 43, sustained injuries to his wrist and bruising down his side as he hit the ground during the incident on the A6093.

    A witness who saw a Facebook post about the incident from Mr Anderson’s wife Avril came forward saying that she saw the car travelling quickly despite the icy conditions, and identified it as a silver saloon car.

    The incident took place eastbound on the A6093 Pencaitland road just before Samuelston and was reported to the police.

    Call police on 101 with information.

    https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/17283083.cyclist-injured-in-hit-and-run-car-crash-was-very-lucky/?fbclid=IwAR3xHlAVnMGiFDE6hF5yNn5WPkJFhU2V5YfjsnReG-e3dEO5uzSzm9mI6-Q

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. Schemieradge
    Member

    It's less than a year since the last hit and run on that road: Jan 2018 an Edinburgh RC rider was hit (also by a silver car - probably incidentally)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. Tulyar
    Member

    It also highlights the key hazard of rapid & silent delivery of danger from behind on a lightly trafficked road, when you can easily be lulled into being less aware of an approaching driver.until their car invades your space

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. Schemieradge
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    I've got little experience of being hit (yet - thank goodness), but I've always thought a car rapidly approaching from behind to pass too close (common) would sound almost identical to a car rapidly approaching from behind to make contact (rarer).

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. Ed1
    Member

    i guess its best to have a mirror but never seen one that fits

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. edinburgh87
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    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302838709489

    These are good, and don't look too daft on dropped bars too

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. ejstubbs
    Member

    I have yet to find a bar-mounted mirror that survives first contact with a pothole, or a typical "repair" to the road surface by a utility or telecoms company.

    They don't fall off, they just get bounced out of position so you then risk spending the next 100m trying to straighten them up again, until you realise that you're not actually looking where you're going and give up on the damn thing. IME it happens to even the lightest ones, no matter how hard you try to tighten up the adjusters. The ones that mount to the bottom of the drops are worst IMO because even when they are correctly aligned, you have to shift your gaze so far aware from your actual path.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. paddyirish
    Member

    I've seen some cyclists with helmet mounted mirrors. Would that work for you? I think it would be a distraction for me...

    And maybe you don't wear a h****t, but that's an entirely different thread...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. slowcoach
    Member

    Mirrycle mirrors work for me.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  10. edinburgh87
    Member

    @ejstubbs, granted, altho I've only damaged beyond repair one of those mirrors in two years across three bikes. And at £13 each they're almost consumable. At the very least they're quite good at night as they catch the lights of oncoming traffic. Definitely an imperfect science

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. acsimpson
    Member

    I'm intrigued what mirror users would do should a driver come up behind them too closely. Should you ride into the ditch/kerb or brace for impact.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  12. edinburgh87
    Member

    Hopefully never have to find out - if I genuinely thought I was going to be hit and (assuming) the mirror gives more notice than otherwise I'd like to think running myself off the road would be the least bad option. If not I hope the latter kills me outright. I quite like it on Audaxes during long stretches on straight-ish rural A roads where you can see a long way behind w/o turning round as frequently.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  13. Tulyar
    Member

    I was hit at an estimated 40mph on A9 at North Kessock in 1983. Fortunately I threw the bike over towards the EMPTY outside lane and cartwheeled down the offside of the car. The core impact was between my bum and the A pillar. I watched the white lane line go past just below my head, really glad I wasn't wearing a helmet, which would have caught the tarmac and probably broken my neck.

    I emerged with a chipped spine (lower lumbar) which delivered around 5 years of surprise spasms leaving me immobile in pain on the floor, but gradually the body has rounded that nicked edge and the issue has gone away.

    A few months earlier though a close friend, was killed about half a mile to the North, only minutes after we'd spoken, as he passed me taking photos from the new Kessock Bridge. He was I understand decapitated by the roof edge of the car driven by a drunken man, undertaking the driver who had changed lane to overtake the cyclist.

    Those with Heriot-Watt (or STV) connections can help here, as back in 1999 there was a programme called Action2000, and one edition featured a demonstration by the Heriot-Watt engineering team of a rear end impact using a remote control Mini Metro and a crash test dummy on a lightly supported bike. I had this on a VCR cassette, but it has disappeared from the chaos of a fire some years ago, when the tapes were stored on the other side of the wall from the burning pan on the cooker!

    The video is very informative. It shows the massive damage to the car roof when a flailing body hits it, and how, when no intervention takes place the cyclist's body will be flying up and rotated to get sliced by the roof edge, with the exact point determined by the impact speed and linked parameters.

    It follows from this that there may be some moves a cyclist can make, even when a rear-end impact is inescapable. One may be to go foetal, with, if possible feet and legs towards the initial impact as a shock absorbing element, and head with neck bundled in against the chest and arms over the back of the head. Ideally you then slide over the bodywork of the car and the windscreen/airbags are a softer place to hit. A second strategy may be to use the forces sent through the bike to launch you upwards in a more controlled way to clear the roof of the car that hits you. This still leaves the problem of where you then land.

    I've also walked away from a couple of T-bonings, both at relatively low speed. In one case, tucked in and rolling over the front of the car, I managed to inflict over £600 worth of damage to the car, & bent the front forks in the bike, (I had a spare set).

    I note that the LAS paramedics include training for at least 8 ways to dismount/depart from a moving bike without harmful end results. Is there a case for advanced cycle training to include falling off, against the similar requirement for a parachute jump, learning how to hit the ground roll and walk away, as this is almost a guaranteed event for all but the most perfect landings

    Posted 5 years ago #
  14. neddie
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    Mirrors are a manifestation of motoring paraphernalia.

    After all, your average motorist cannot be expected to turn their head, or move a muscle in any way. And even if they did, something would restrict their visibility, like the current trend to have very high up and low-height rear windows.

    Mirrors aren't necessary on a bike. Just turn your head. Safer, easier, more reliable.

    And there is no way you could reliably mitigate any rear-end collision by mirror observation.

    What are you going to do? Cycle around completely on edge every time a car passes you? Concentrating hard, working out all the "options" every time you're overtaken?

    Cycling like that, with a continual high level of tension and alertness, would never be enjoyable. You might as well not do it at all.

    And here's the rub:

    We could make roads safe by design, but this would necessitate creating an environment where the driver is constantly on edge, constantly maintaining a high level of alertness - exactly what a cyclist would have to do to mitigate a rear-ending. But, you see, this would not be acceptable to drivers. They want to drive with the minimum level of attention, the minimum stress and the maximum level of comfort.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. wingpig
    Member

    "What are you going to do? Cycle around completely on edge every time a car passes you? Concentrating hard, working out all the "options" every time you're overtaken?

    Cycling like that, with a continual high level of tension and alertness, would never be enjoyable. You might as well not do it at all. "

    This is another one of those "other people don't?" things. I always keep a bit of my brain aware of escape routes, which way to jump (am I wearing a rucksack or a messenger bag, whereabouts is the weight on the bike), is the kerb a soft-ish grassy edge or a hedge or a hard right-angled bit of stone or a series of parked cars and so on.
    With constant exposure and practise it's a constant high level of alertness but not necessarily constant high tension. The option to increase tension is available, such as when there's a revvy engine approaching quickly from behind, or when you have to change lanes on an A-road, or when whenever - I might feel more tense when cycling at night on a busy road in the rain than on the same road when it's dry and quiet and bright, but I don't know if this would be empirically demonstrated by any biological measurements like heart rate. Someone recently mentioned that they saw a spike in their biometrics because of an altercation on the aqueduct.

    That it takes exposure to be normalised to it is one of the things to bear in mind when people new to cycling or who can't normalise the feeling of threat/danger speak thereof - there are people on this forum who have clearly stated that they have had enough of a particular road, type of interaction, or of cycling in traffic altogether.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. toomanybikes
    Member

    " I always keep a bit of my brain aware of escape routes, which way to jump (am I wearing a rucksack or a messenger bag, whereabouts is the weight on the bike), is the kerb a soft-ish grassy edge or a hedge or a hard right-angled bit of stone or a series of parked cars and so on."

    I'm with neddie here, I think I might stop cycling if that's what I was constantly thinking about whilst on my bike.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. Rosie
    Member

    I do use a mirror and wonder how other people manage without. The times when I'm between mirrors are disorientating. Turning my head means that I feel slightly less balanced. And I'm not supple round the neck. Also my eyeball wanders beyond the lens of my specs, and I'm spying the traffic behind with my myopic eye. However each to their own.

    @toomanybikes - Agree. The times I have had accidents which caused injury (not involving cars but mechanical failure, wind or black ice) they have come as unpleasant surprises. I am a cautious, nervous cyclist - I wouldn't want to increase my nervousness.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  18. ejstubbs
    Member

    @neddie: your average motorist cannot be expected to turn their head, or move a muscle in any way.

    Many of them seem to have difficulty turning the steering wheel more than about ten degrees either way, judging by the egregious corner-cutting you so often see around the residential rat runs streets. (As for flicking the indicator on, you'd think that such an effort would leave some them fighting for breath for the next ten minutes, so assiduously do they avoid doing it.)

    And even if they did, something would restrict their visibility, like the current trend to have very high up and low-height rear windows.

    Head restraints and sturdy B pillars (both intended to protect the occupants of the vehicle in the event of a crash - sod everyone else) usually mean that rather more than a simple turn of the head is required to see past them. But then cars do have mirrors (or - and why this is permitted I really don't understand - rear view cameras*, because the car itself is so much of behemoth).

    But drivers' own choices certainly don't help. The fondness that some seem to have for sitting as far back as possible and holding the wheel with fully outstretched arms makes it difficult to look round without letting go of the wheel, as well as encouraging corner-cutting because it impedes turning the wheel.

    There doesn't, though, seem to be any valid excuse for failing to indicate other than sheer selfish laziness.

    * And no, I don't mean reversing cameras, I mean cameras instead of mirrors for general driving. I believe one of the early Audi SUVs was the first car to be so fitted.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. the canuck
    Member

    I also have that issue with turning my head affecting my balance, and also if my hair comes loose, the wind sometimes blows it into my line of rear vision. irritating.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  20. minus six
    Member

    always keep a bit of my brain aware of escape routes

    always, this awareness

    yet isn't entire kinetic body-mind

    this holistic thing, that we

    colloquially refer to as 'brain'

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    if my hair comes loose, the wind sometimes blows it into my line of rear vision

    Marco Pantani never looked back.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  22. gembo
    Member

    Pantani went to the back then when no one was looking took out his earrings, flung away his cap etc, took la Bomba and began his attack.

    I advocate now for cycling caps. Under your helmet or instead of? Up to you. Great for heat, rain, sweat, preventing helmet hair and indeed keeping your hair out your eyes. I am more foldable quiff these days than all over mick hucknall look so it is easier.

    Posted 5 years ago #

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