Specifically, rocks x many. (in the case of my youngest)
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Poor quality childrens' bikes on sale
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@snowy - the bottom of my panniers are filled with rocks previously 'collected' by my offspring.
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My external rucksack pockets fill up with stones collected by madame IWRATS.
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I once picked up a few huge chunks of uncut slate about 10km into the start of a 50km MTB around Dukes pass area. This was to be thoroughly regretted multiple times over the next few hours. They now make nice candle holders in our abode.
"CCE where you don't have to be a kid to fill your bag with stones"
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Meanwhile, Raleigh's nostalgia marketing department take us back with some 1970s style gender stereotyping.
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If you are not picking up interesting pebbles, what is the point of going to the beach?
@urchaidh - see upthread, this is where most of us came in
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What about manaquins in shop fronts with all their gender stereotyping, or perfume/aftershave, chocolate advertising on TV.
Make it all grey I say! What is more crackers is that Raleigh pulled the tweet...
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If you want some high quality kids bikes, I've just become a Puky dealer: https://www.puky.net/
Stock arriving soon.
So, along with Squish, I'm now pretty well-covered for you more discerning types :-)
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@baldcyclist you have summed up the problem well - that advertisers assume that if it's not 'pink and blue' it is grey.
why can't things be exciting, fun, and attractive to kids, i.e. not grey, without assuming which 50% of the audience they are for?
it's dumbing down, really. and laziness on the part of the sales team.
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The thing is stereotypical or not little girls mostly like pink, and little boys blue - even the front page of Puky there has girl dressed in pink, and the boy on blue. There's really nothing controversial in that.
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And they’re still selling bikes with stabilisers.
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"stereotypical or not little girls mostly like pink, and little boys blue"
really? which bit of their brain or genitals is colour-sensitive?
you do know that until the 1930s boys were more commonly dressed in pink and blue was seen as a 'calm' colour and this appropriate for girls?
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It doesn't matter what the prefered colour of the day is. This is about making everything gender neutral.
There are 2 genders, like it or not, as clear as climate change is happening, male and female humans are a differnt gender, and in lots of respects have different traits, and likes and dislikes.
I'm left of centre in most of my views, however this push from the far left to mandate what is acceptable to say or not, even down to the ascertion that somehow allowing young girls to like pink things will somehow affect their life chances is simply proposterous...
*edit I'm not against people chosing what their children should wear, or what they should wear themselves, my boy has more than one pink t-shirt, and a play kitchen from Ikea.
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I am not sure political correctness is a far left thing? The SWP almost destroyed in recent years by poor sexual politics. See also WRP, RCP, etc.
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“male and female humans are a differnt gender, and in lots of respects have different traits, and likes and dislikes.”
Think the bigger point here is the number of things that are only offered in pink OR blue.
Even if they were identical apart from colour, such static binary options would seem odd, but here there is the added (implied) ‘only girls would want a basket’ offer.
How many 2yo boys attracted by the pink (with basket) option would be allowed to have it??
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Someone has spotted that if you use the boy/girl filter on Raleigh's website then it selects only one of the bikes & you can guess which one...
https://twitter.com/doughirst/status/1074634672846635008?s=19
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Still nowt back from the Raleigh rep on this one
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I don't think this is coming from the far left. It's coming from those of us who are dismayed to see children being squashed into two restrictive boxes from a very young age. If it was merely about colour it might just be acceptable, but it's the whole package - girls are sweet, boys are epic. The Raleigh ad wasn't the worst offender by any means - but look around you at what's marketed at children and the expectations are there: girls are nurturing, boys will be boys. If you haven't read Cordelia Fine's Delusions of Gender then I suggest you do so before you decide any of these traits are in anyway innate because most of the research that underpins it is pretty poor quality. What tiny differences there are, if any, get amplified massively from birth up. And children want to fit in, so yes, girls decide they like pink and boys decide they don't want unicorns.
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girls are sweet, boys are epic
This. And to be clear it does a serious disservice to humans of both sexes. Details on application.
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Have now heard back from the Raleigh Rep. Not 100 per cent understanding what he is saying but apparently Raleigh had a gender neutral balance bike that was not selling. So they went for gender imbalance balance bike and these are selling.
It is said that baby girls used to wear blue and baby boys used to wear pink
Not sure if that is true,
Disappointing that all of this has not moved on after all these years
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"but look around you at what's marketed at children and the expectations are there: girls are nurturing, boys will be boys"
Is this same literature available to the rest of the animal kingdom too? For the most part - yes there are exceptions - regardless of species males take on the 'epic' masculine role, and females nurture.
Humans aren't being brainwashed, it's what they are coded to be.
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@baldycyclist. At times like these I like to recommend The Origins of Consciousness In The Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind. By Julian Jaynes. Favourite book of Douglas Adams
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Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine very very good too.
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Oh no, you misunderstand my position. I'm not making any ascertions about gender inequality, only that 2 genders exist, and they have quite a different outlook on life from each other.
Intelectually there's negligable difference between males and females.
It has been said that males are more competative, and one of the reasons females tend not to reach high positions is that they tend to be more agreeable than men.It's also worth noting that *most* men will never reach senior positions either; becasue the ability to do 75 hour weeks for decades is a rare trait, and that is what senior positions entail.
If you are a woman, with family to raise, and 75 hour work weeks on top of that, are formidable people. The ability to get up at 5, do 2 hours in the gym, tend to children, then go to work till 7pm. Come home tend to children, work for another 2 hours after that and got bed at 1am is astonishing, and women who are at the top do that every day for years!
Origins of conciosness might be interesting. I'm currently part way through Jordan Petersons 12 rules for life, so might read it after that. The Jordan Peterson book is not what I thought. I thought it would have been more controversial given his recent popularity/infomy. It's a self help / fix it book, talks a lot about the bible; though the remionders of discipline, and order are useful. I do sometimes find myself wandering into chaos, and need to give myself a periodic kick up the *rs*.
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Jordan Peterson is a misogynist of the first water. He doesn't know much about lobsters either.
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That has been said of him, he seems to fare better in long form conversations, where he evidences his views. My wife doesn't like him either.
His conversations with Sam Harris are quite interesting.
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I'm not interested. He's not "interesting". Misogynists aren't "interesting" when you're on the receiving end.
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I had a conversation with my wife about the pink and blue bikes.
She laughed heartily, she works as a nurse which is obviously a female dominated profession.
The first time I ever heard the term 'blue' and 'pink' jobs was from her talking about work, and how they wind up the male nurses getting them to do certain tasks. Perhaps it is dominance that determines the patriarchy regardless of gender...
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“If you are a woman, with family to raise, and 75 hour work weeks on top of that, are formidable people. The ability to get up at 5, do 2 hours in the gym, tend to children, then go to work till 7pm. Come home tend to children, work for another 2 hours after that and got bed at 1am is astonishing, and women who are at the top do that every day for years!“
Oddly, I thought men also had children to raise?
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