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Dalmeny Estate gates

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  1. handcyclist
    Member

    On Friday as I cycled through the Dalmeny Estate, entering via the Burnshot Gate, I was pleasantly surprised by the new tarmac fixing the 3 or 4 minor blemishes in the road surface. However, as I approached the Chapel Gate I was greeted by new white gates barring egress onto the B924 which did open automatically as I approached. I cycled through again on Saturday (gates open) and Sunday (gates shut).

    According to a notice affixed to the post for entry keypads these gates have been installed due to "repeated illegal entry to the Dalmeny Estate by unauthorised motor vehicle access". The notice goes on to say "Walkers and cyclists are, as always, welcome; the 'kissing gates' are designed to allow access on foot and with cycles and wheelchairs while preventing cattle and sheep from wandering onto the roads."

    The gate infrastructure is still under construction but it looks like the 'kissing gates' are on the northern side of the cattle grid and are of a design that will make it impossible for me as a disabled cyclist to use on my recumbent handcycle.
    At present new gates have been installed at the westernmost entrance of the Burnshot Gate but not on the easternmost so access here is not currently compromised. The gates appear to only have entry keypads on the external side which suggests the detection system will allow cyclists to exit the Estate without having to use the kissing gate. If this is the case it should be possible to traverse the Estate from west to east without having to use the kissing gate.

    I ride through Dalmeny Estate using this route around 50 times a year, I'm already excluded from riding through the Estate using NCN76 by the (probably illegal) gate/barriers at each end of the NCN76 route, namely the East Craigie and Long Craig gates so I will be extremely upset if these new barriers lead to further erosion of legitimate use by disabled cyclists.
    Does anyone know if there was any consultation over this access arrangement?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. stiltskin
    Member

    Whilst it is pretty annoying, it is a private estate so I am not sure that they would be required to consult.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. acsimpson
    Member

    Indeed, I can't think why a consultation would be required. However that doesn't mean they can simply ignore access law. Both the disability and land access legislation may be relevant if you wish to contact them.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. ejstubbs
    Member

    It might be worthwhile contacting the estate office, thanking them for their consideration re continued provision of pedestrian and cyclist access but pointing out that it in your case the kissing gate is an insurmountable barrier. You could ask politely if they would be prepared to provide you with an access key code for the vehicular gate?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    @ejstubbs while I haven't seen the barriers myself, the keypads will no doubt be installed at a height convenient for drivists, not hand cyclists.

    I suspect there will be another access method in use such as RFID or IR tags, can't see the aristos deigning to punch the same numbers as the hoi polloi.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. paddyirish
    Member

    I cycled through Dalmeny Estate this morning. I stopped to take photos and while I was doing so a cyclist rode up the hill towards the Dalmeny Village entrance. A sensor detected him and the gate opened for him. So I think we can conclude that if you can get in to the estate, you can get out.

    But what happens if a disabled cyclist gets to a gate and can't get in? Flag down a passing cyclist, ask them to ride 50m into the estate and back out again to trigger the gates? I would happily do that, but others may be in too much of a rush.

    Think contacting the office for a better solution is the right way to go. Please let us know how you get on.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    Sensor should detect handcycles too(?)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. paddyirish
    Member

    @chdot, from what I could see, the sensor was attached to the gatepost at a great height and directed across the path at an angle. IMO, this is better than one which went straight across the path at a height above the ground which a handcycle (or recumbent or torpedo?) could go under the beam.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    I passed through all entrances of the Dalmeny estate on Saturday - one leg of the Burnshot entrance is still without gates but the founds are there for them so they will no doubt appear in due course.

    Exited through Chapel and Leuchold Gates, neither showed any inclination of opening automatically for cyclists.

    Met some e-bikers struggling with the kissing gate at Leuchold - one of them ended up tiptoeing around the outside, illustrating the utter pointlessness.

    I got a draft off the Lord and Ladyship in a golf cart surveying their demesne at one point (in truth I got held up but hey ho).

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Oh and as I suspected, there are dual keypads installed at heights convenient for drivists and lorryists respectively, not a chance of a handcyclist reaching them.

    Horses also effectively excluded.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. gembo
    Member

    @Murun, horses? working keypads with dem hoofs?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

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    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. gembo
    Member

    crafty

    there is also the stable door with the work of art nibbled into it by the horse.

    The horse that could count turned out just to be good at stopping clopping from an unconscious cue from its groom

    Keypads i think would need to be very chunky

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. handcyclist
    Member

    The second Burnshot entrance has now had its gate installed. I sent a couple of able-bodied friends through the kissing gate to see if they could open one of the gates using the sensors but no luck so I'm now totally barred from the Dalmeny Estate.

    I reckon I last handcycled through Hopetoun Estate around 2002 when Sustrans endorsed the (probably illegal) barriers at the Quarry Gate/Abercorn Gate as part of NCN76 so I guess it's not surprising that I've lost access to Dalmeny Estate as well with (probably illegal) Sustrans endorsed barriers at each end of NCN76 through this Estate and inaccessible kissing gates on all the other entrances.

    A sad day. I really enjoyed going through Dalmeny Estate rather than alongside the A90.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. fimm
    Member

    Co-incidentally I came across this on Twitter:
    https://twitter.com/Dolly2racer/status/1155473214182703104

    Posted 4 years ago #

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