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Picardy Place lanes taking shape

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  • Started 5 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. davecykl
    Member

    @iwrats: I reckon that a bit of "gueriila gardening" would be universally popular and would then very soon be done officially. It doesn't need a TRO (possibly not even planning permission?) for the city to put planters on the pavement, and I think that would be a nice good-natured and very positive protest (and would fry the minds of "cyclists = bad" types).

    (Yes, tweaking the north side would need further longer term work, but I think we should still do it as a demo to show what is possible ("Be the world you want it to become"), and to embarrass them for not thinking of it themselves :-) )

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  2. chdot
    Admin

    “I think it would be better to acknowledge/praise what has (mostly) been got right, and reserve criticism for the parts that are dreadful.”

    Want to start the lists?

    New thread(s)?

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  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Hellscape backed up to the Bridges this morning due to an enormous bus squarely across the yellow box junction on the gyratory.

    I am concerned that the economic growth on which the gyratory is predicated may be stifled by congestion.

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  4. PS
    Member

    They've opened up a large expanse of pavement in front of the cathedral and around Paolozzi's big foot and I have to say it's a big improvement for the pedestrian (although I suspect it will need proactive gritting and salting in the winter).

    Now just imagine if the majority of the expanse of Picardy Place was given over to similar paving rather than out-of-bounds tarmac. It would make a decent spot for a Christmas market. #JoinedUpThinking

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  5. CycleAlex
    Member

    I quite like what they've done with the different coloured and textured paving - once the trees grow out and it's a sunny day it'll be rather pleasant there. Shame that can't be said about the rest of it!

    Although, excellent lunchtime activity of sitting on the blocks watching chaos unfold.

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  6. CycleAlex
    Member

    Planning application is up for the Picardy Place tram stop - interestingly it'll be the only tram stop with a double platform (for airport/Granton trams). Also, what seems like a new bit of segregation towards Leith Walk.

    https://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/idoxpa-web/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=Q69BPQEW0GY00

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  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I am still, after all these years and drawings and stuff genuinely unsure WTAF the idea is for Picardy Place.

    I mean there's a bicycle right turn box smack in the middle of a three lane gyratory.
    Doesn't even line up with the Toytown Trax.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. CycleAlex
    Member

    Main direction for the cycle lane there is Picardy Place - York Place and that's a two-stage right turn for going down Broughton Street with a 90 degree tram track crossing. Seems sensible enough?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I'll maybe wait for the instruction manual to be published.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. unhurt
    Member

    Now just imagine if the majority of the expanse of Picardy Place was given over to similar paving rather than out-of-bounds tarmac. It would make a decent spot for a Christmas market.

    Well they claim the central island will be a space for people - perhaps they should put their market where their mouth is?

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  11. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    How can the central island be for people when it has no parking?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. neddie
    Member

    The central island seems ripe for parking on, if you ask me.

    What's the betting there'll be some loophole in the GAM clause that means people can't be ticketed for parking there?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. acsimpson
    Member

    @Cyclealex, By double platform do you mean the tram can open the doors on both sides at once?

    Have you found a reason for such a design?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. CycleAlex
    Member

    @acsimpson Yes - essentially, the stop is being designed on the principle of an island stop (to fit in with the rest of the stops between Haymarket and Newhaven). Since there's extra space on the Isle of Lost Souls and the main flow of people will no doubt be in the St James Centre direction, they've added the extra platform which means people don't have to cross in front of the tram.


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  15. gembo
    Member

    Went through then down to Vicky Quay at lunch time. Bottom of leith walk total gridlock

    After meeting went back up wol path much nicer. Met old pal lummy at ex-incinerator. All gone. Bowled along mcD rd. Fire station getting knocked down. Who knew?

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  16. wingpig
    Member

    EVERYONE knew. Everyone except you.

    IMG_20190322_173428807 by wingpig, on Flickr

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    Wot about the ship?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    Ship has SAILED. I loved that ship

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. the canuck
    Member

    I'm glad there really is a foot there.
    I was worried i needed glasses.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    HGV on the box junction all backed up cops behind me never even saw it I don't think.

    Truth is cops make the law not parliament. If they won't enforce a law it doesn't really exist.

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  21. PS
    Member

    Truth is cops make the law not parliament. If they won't enforce a law it doesn't really exist.

    "I am the indifference" as Judge Dredd might have said.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. CycleAlex
    Member

    Still surprised me CEC don't seem to have pushed for the powers to enforce box junctions like in Cardiff and London. Would make a big difference if they were actually adhered to.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. Frenchy
    Member

    Leith Street RSO approved by Scottish Ministers, so at least the cycleway should be officially opened soon.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    It will be interesting to see if it's worthwhile using it. Guerrilla usage in the before times suggests not but we shall see.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  25. crowriver
    Member

    Yep, got the e-mail today.

    "Following careful consideration of all of the evidence available, including the objections to the draft Order, the Council’s responses to those objections and the Report to Scottish Ministers from the Planning and Environmental Appeals Division (DPEA), the Scottish Ministers have determined the matter and confirm the Order without modification."

    So it was a huge waste of time objecting to this or trying to get it improved. The developers knew this and that's why they went ahead and built it regardless.

    Compare and contrast with Roseburn, etc.

    Lesson: if development is multi-million dollar retail, and subsidised by flagship Scottish government "Growth Accelerator Model" loan, don't even bother to engage as they will just run roughshod over any objections.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. toomanybikes
    Member

    Was thinking about bits of the picardy place design as I was skimming through the new UK design guidance, some of bits of DON'T could have used photos from there.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. wingpig
    Member

    The only bit I would consider using at this stage is the original southbound bit past the Omni, and only then to make progress when the lights are red. The rest might be usable when the traffic is gummed solid unless there are pedestrians, parked vehicles or small wooden sheds and Heras fencing blocking the Wiggles through the islands.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. davecykl
    Member

    @IWRATS, I have been using the cycleway uphill (southbound) from the London Road junction through to Greenside Row ever since it was complete (construction-wise, anyway), and I've certainly seen quite a few people also using it. I for one will be glad to see the barriers removed along there.

    It is far preferable, in my opinion, rather than having to slog up the hill there on the road.

    Merging back on to the road at the Greenside Row junction itself sort of works just now, while there is much less car traffic and very few people walking. However, the "official" almost useless narrow merge point before the junction (it's not really a merge as you just get ejected into a lane probably full of other traffic rather into an on-road stretch of cycle lane, and so can't really use it safely without stopping to check behind you, and at least partly blocking the cycleway itself) is rubbish, and trying to fight through a sea of shoppers or festivallians at the unsegregated section at the junction When Things Are Back To Normal will be an absolute nightmare «sigh». If it wasn't for those parts, I'd be happy with this route, at least.

    Downhill it is still far too much fun to whizz downhill and just stay on the road, but that of course is no good if you are the proverbial 8 year old or novice. Coming out of Broughton St will also still be rubbish, and I really can't see anyone bothering to follow the "official" route from there through the Island of The Dead, not to mention that Broughton St itself is also a bit of a narrow and busy slog for the less experienced.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. CycleAlex
    Member

    Was closing Calton Rd at Leith St ever considered in the plans for Leith St/St James Centre?

    I've walked/cycled around there quite a bit over the last few days and it seems to be very rarely used but causes an annoying crossing for pedestrians. Its removal would have surely also helped the magical traffic flow with one less set of signals.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. gembo
    Member

    Calton road has had a traffic light system down at the bottom for several years. Linked to the attempt to shore up the rock face of Calton Hill. This certainly deters rat running. Waverley Gate NHS and Waverley Court Council both have staff car parks that fed on to the road (little in use at moment due to working from home) and the rear entrance to the station itself also now seldom used.

    Very tricky road junction (better for cyclists than the odd taxi actually trying to access leith street)

    Posted 4 years ago #

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