CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
IT’S TRUE!
CCE is 15years old!
Well done to ALL posters
It soon became useful and entertaining. There are regular posters, people who add useful info occasionally and plenty more who drop by to watch. That's fine. If you want to add news/comments it's easy to register and become a member.
RULES No personal insults. No swearing.
Picardy a bad roundabout now truly abysmal. This was predicted on here So modelers only have found a positive by assuming no drivers ever would jump a light.
Porty road five car wide road with double parking and reinstated traffic jams
Braid road reinstatement fiasco.
Scot Gov could ask for their active travel budget back
“Scot Gov could ask for their active travel budget back”
Understand the sentiment!
Picardy Place is (partly) the way it is because of SG!
SG should get on with sorting out the whole TRO/consultations process.
MEANWHILE
CEC has NEW nonsense to sort out!!!!
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Whether you support or oppose this #LowTraffic/#SchoolStreets experiment..
it's crazy that final decisions on all such Traffic Orders are now taken by Licensing Sub-Cttee, rather than Transport Cttee who know the background
Please change this back!!
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Cllr Whyte:
I support the principle that the Council’s transport hierarchy puts pedestrians first.Interesting then that his suggestion to allow left turns from Leith Walk to better facilitate traffic flow traffic would require the pedestrian crossing over London Road to be switched off. (The ban on left turns allows there to be a pedestrian phase - as evidenced by well-reported problems of cars turning left through the green man).
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Iain wrote that knowing that Labour asked for action on the issue last week. I cover it at the start of this video:
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“CEC has NEW nonsense to sort out!!!”
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The change was, apparently, because Licensing Cttee deals with 'quasi-judicial matters'; thus traffic orders
But cllrs at 16.11.23 TEC realised they'd made a bit of a mess (our words) so agreed the attached
The policy was anyway due for review in June, but it is now underway
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also allow the Transport & Environment committee to continue to be involved and take a view on key transport changes being delivered through statutory order processes.
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Really??
And if someone says no?
cycled from Queen st to Leith st today (and back again).
what a mess. is it actually open?
I managed to fail at using the Picardy Place cycle gyratory expressway roundabout thing yesterday. I actually got utterly confused.
All I wanted to do was cycle down Leith Street and then cycle down Leith Walk, but there seems to be no official way to join the cycle path if you're coming from Leith St.
I saw another cyclist somewhat ahead of me divert right at the Greenside Row path access, and he whizzed out of sight past the Omni. I meanwhile wanted to stay on the left-hand side of Leith Walk and reached the lights/ped crossing at the bottom of John Lewis still on the road with no obvious way to get to the cycle lanes. I ended up bumping up the kerb at the crossing.
Then there is a weird zigzag to get across the tram tracks, but I somehow got it wrong and found myself marooned on the tram platform before realising the crossing was to my left.
I'd've been better just staying on the road, quite honestly.
Rightly or wrongly, this is the route I'd take (and have taken before) - involves a questionable don't-do-that-right turn to get into the two-way path at Calton Rd, and follows that two-way cycleway all the way down to just past Elm Row where there's a cycle crossing to the left side cycleway down Leith Walk.
If uncomfortable with the don't-turn-right there's also the option to join at Greenside Row.
This is what happens when the Council designs individual cycle routes, in this case CCWEL. No real consideration appears to be given to cyclists going any other way, or joining/leaving mid-route.
@Arellcat's 'mistake' was to approach Picardy Place from the 'wrong' street. The official cycle approach from the west being York Place.
This is the completely ridiculous thing: I was actually aware that I was using the 'wrong' approach!
In coming from the south along the A701, I had no desire to have to divert west in order to go along NMW, up MMW, down the Mound, up Hanover St, turn right to go along George St and down North St David St for York Place - or indeed, clatter my way down the cobbobbobles of Cockburn St for Waverley Bridge and make tricky left and right turns across the tram tracks to go up South St David St to go down North St David St and arrive safe and sound on York Place.
I just wanted to go up Minto St, along Nicolson St, down South and North Bridge, down Leith St, and down Leith Walk.
Looking on Streetview, it seems what I was supposed to do was do a right-angled turn immediately after the traffic lights at Little King St to join the Picardy-bound cycle lane. But it's a right-angled turn to the right followed immediately by a right-angled turn left, for one thing, and I didn't even spot it because the cycle lane is the same colour as the footways and has no contrast at all. I think that's how I also ended up on the tram stop: the cycle lane, that I should be able to use almost without thinking, just isn't obvious, and no amount of posh slanty kerbs and rinky dink lane markings really helps. It's also a whole lot of manoeuvers I wouldn't even attempt in the red torpedo.
Yes - one shouldn't need to change an entire route to get the 'ideal' approach to a junction, all approaches should be considered and halfway usable.
Personally when I've taken that same route before, I've done Minto, Nicolson, South Bridge but turned right down Royal Mile then left down New St, under bridge and up Calton Rd straight into said 2-way lane, which adds a quarter of a mile vs. North bridge and Leith St but features less traffic and a more convenient join to the segregated paths.
Interestingly the proposed Waverly grand master future excellence plan™ posits a 'high level cycle bridge' from East Market St to the station back entrance on Calton Rd, which could be a slightly more direct version of how I'm using New St in such a route.
It’s not ideal but it’s really not that bad. You can join by turning right at Greenside Row, immediately after the first pedestrian crossing, at the second ASL, immediately after the third ASL or you can just use the road until Gayfield Square.
Elsewhere
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There are some new benches (which also double up as hostile-vehicle barriers), but little attempt has been made to turn it into a place you might want to linger.
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We emerged from Old Steet station onto the roundabout when heading to our hotel back in February. I hadn't realised it was a 'feature' roundabout at the time. What would have made it more useful for me would have been a couple of signs showing compass directions. It didn't seem particularly offensive when emerging from the foul depths of Tubespace but if you lived nearby or went past frequently and had been hoping for something a bit less inorganic it would be quite disappointing.
@welcome home. You’ve been gone so long Come on in enjoy the show @Wingpig
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