Presumably the excuse is that only confident cyclists can use a roundabout like any other type of traffic, so lets create something to keep the rest of the people terrified and waste the active travel budget.
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Picardy Place lanes taking shape
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The cycle lane is indeed on the plans: http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/picardyplace
As well as leading to the off-road lane, it also seems to be designed to ensure a reasonable crossing angle of the tram tracks.
The kerb is temporary rubber-style but is in the intended kerbline position. It might stay rubber until they put the tram tracks in.
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York Place cycleway emerging beside the stupid 2 stage crossing - something something high quality materials, something something place making
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Oh! Do we think that's as far west as it will get or will it make it all the way to Dublin Street?
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@jonty Further thankfully! Council are building it from Elder Street to N. St David Street as part of CCWEL and the St James developers are building it from Elder Street to Picardy Place.
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Is the CCWEL building work going to happen at the same time or later though? RSO has gone through but they seem quite tied up dealing with all the stuff in the west.
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Should be at the same time, here's the email I got from ESJ last month:
I have received your email and would like to thank you for raising your questions with us, at present I can advise you that we are currently in discussions with the City of Edinburgh Council and the Contractor doing the cycle way from Elder Street to Queens Street who are(Balfour Beatty) our aim is to try and do the works together if possible and minimise overall disruption and the dates of which are not yet finalised, We will continue to update our Website http://www.edinburghstjames.com
of which construction progress is kept fully up to date.Posted 5 years ago # -
Curious how it'll work at N. St David Street considering the RSO hasn't been published for the rest of the section to George Street yet.
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Sounds promising!
Good question about the end! RSO does continue that far. I assumed that it would terminate at Dublin Street as the crossing there gives the most options for onward travel. Perhaps they are going to change the lights somehow...or maybe just keep the last section shut/not build it.
Actually given that Queen Street proper starts at N. St Andrew St. and they call it the 'Elder Street to Queen Street' section, not building that bit seems like a real possibility.
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Weaving through the stationary Hellscape I sconned ma heid aff a bus wing mirror.
Driver giving it all defensive anger and pointy gestures. I gave him the luvvie two hands over heart and then spread wide gesture of conciliation. He softened. I gave him the two handed blown kiss and he melted.
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Concussed?
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I would guess he had elevated blood pressure and incipient abdominal obesity, but no evidence of a head injury.
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Complicated...
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When sailing on the open ocean, Polynesian navigators could determine the size and shape of distant islands by attuning themselves to minute changes in wave patterns.
It is hard for us modern land-based folk on the other hemisphere to really understand and appreciate this incredible skill. However, I sincerely believe that I too have become able to determine the size and shape of the Picardy island based on traffic patterns on South Bridge.
An unexpected cultural benefit of the new development realised before it is even completed.
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I detected great aggression and a barely disguised desire to kill me as I filtered the Hellscape today.
I think the spirit phase of its construction has been completed ahead of schedule.
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Noted with amusement the builders laying warning tape on top of the buried service conduits, knowing fine well it will all be dug up again in a decade.
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The monster is emerging. Most of the kerb line is there and traffic lights are going in at the Leith Walk end.
The traffic light geek within me was sad that they’re using toucan signal heads rather than low level cycle signals.
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I’m sure everyone is thoroughly fed up with this and the way all the effort to improve it (including detailed proposal from Sustrans) were comprehensively ignored in favour of ScotGov’s ‘development agenda’.
HOWEVER
I hope Sustrans, Spokes, Living Streets, the Cockburn etc. are still talking and preparing to remind everyone that they opposed this.
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Went through last night heading north from Waverley, (back street)
Still mental. Lot of cyclists jumping out of the contraflow at John Lewis to Bill down the new cycle lane.
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I've given it a miss for a few days, particularly when it was raining and construction-mud will have been rinsing all the way down to London Road. I think I already prefer to just go along York Place on the road rather than attempt to get any benefit from the cycleway up Leith St.
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I now make friends with people at Picardy Place. It's so awful that people are actually talking to each other and asking how you get through the mincer. I may set up as a guide. Gyratory sherpa.
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There were two days last week when the "cycle lane closed" signs weren't there, which had quite a few people using it, but then they went back up again, which I suppose is adding to the confusion a bit.... I stick to the road, but I can see the attraction in jumping onto it northbound in the evening, rather then sitting in stop-start traffic exhaust fumes, meandering through the cones and Heras fencing.
Even at 6am, it feels daft heading up past John Lewis, with at least one bus/car slowly crawling behind me, while an empty cycle lane sits on the left hand side....
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Two coaches in it this morning outside the Playhouse, to make up for the
CYCLEWAY CLOSEDsign not being there this morning either.Posted 5 years ago # -
A relatively minor complaint given the other issues with the Picardy Place design but, being a regular pedestrian on Leith Street I've been struck by how much surface water comes flooding down the pavement and cycle lane between Calton Road and Greenside Row. It's a proper stream in anything heavier than drizzle.
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How's about I make a trophy for 'Best Edinburgh Traffic Island' and we see if any councilor will accept it in a ceremony held in the middle of the gyratory once it's been completed?
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Good idea.
How about a day of celebration?
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I'm all for that, but I think it needs to be a doorstepping award, as no councilor is going to turn up to be mocked.
Spokes breakfast at City Chambers would be have been ideal buts its +6 months away, as there's always a few of the less active travel minded skulking around the edges to get in the front door.
Must be a suitable event that could be politely gatecrashed in the next couple of months ?
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“ Must be a suitable event that could be politely gatecrashed in the next couple of months ?”
Do Cllrs still have Christmas parties?...
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This thread is tipping me towards thinking consultation submissions are wasted time, or worse, but the other thread is suggesting I engage in a different, new consultation about the new parking thingy. Not 100% sure how to proceed.
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@gkgk My understanding of the Picardy Place delight is that the council were effectively forced into building it because of a bad contract between them, the St James developers and the Scottish Government.
They seem to be willing to make changes in response to most consultations so I‘d try to not be put off responding to them.
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