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Spy device at Meadows playground?

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  • Started 5 years ago by neddie
  • Latest reply from Morningsider
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  1. neddie
    Member

    When last at the Meadows big playpark, I noticed a grey plastic box, about the size of a large phone, cable-tied to the fence near the western entrance gate. It was marked "Property of University of Edinburgh, IoT".

    Anyone else noticed that?

    Is this some kind of data-gathering / spying device?

    Are they collecting WiFi IP addresses, Bluetooth, etc.?

    Do they have the right to do that without consent?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. Klaxon
    Member

    It is one of the most important questions of the modern age

    Such a survey box is not forcing your phone to communicate with it

    But you can’t choose what boxes to communicate with unless you disable all radios when you lock your phone

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. jonty
    Member

    This?

    "The project installed Audio Capture Devices (ACDs) at several locations across the Meadows. The ACDs regularly capture short clips of ultrasonic and audible noises of bats, birds and other wildlife, traffic, and human activity in real time. The sounds are be combined with other data from sensors, such as light, temperature and humidity, and will be used to answer questions such as: How active is the bat population around the Meadows? Does traffic noise change animal behaviour over the course of a day? What is the pattern of human activity during different seasons of the year?"

    "All of the sounds are scrambled below 7kHz to obscure human voice which makes the sound inherently noisy and disorienting"

    Sounds like it contains a thermometer so be careful not to breathe on it in case they find out what your body temperature is.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. stiltskin
    Member

    This is outrageous! I see no evidence that the bats have given their consent to have their most private conversations recorded! #meadowsbatstalking

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. mcairney
    Member

    The lead developer of the IoT project gave a talk on this at last years FLOSSUK conference:

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    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. Mandopicker101
    Member

    There's a nationwide rollout of IoT infrastructure currently underway - IoT Scotland being one such programme. Other providers are interested in Scotland too.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. neddie
    Member

    I should think for capturing audio (albeit partly scrambled, but who knows how effective this is in terms of privacy) in a public place, the same rules as for CCTV would apply:

    i.e. you are not allowed to have private CCTV viewing a public place without authorisation, signs, etc. And I'm pretty sure that sound is not allowed in any case.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. jonty
    Member

    You can view their Privacy Impact Statement & FAQs here.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they're handling tiny snippets of ambient noise in a more secure way than many organisations handle genuinely sensitive personal information.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. neddie
    Member

    @jonty

    we are placing the Audio Capture Devices in trees

    I'm not sure that the box I saw is related to the CitySounds project. It was grey plastic and not wooden as shown in the CitySounds pictures and it was not mounted in a tree.

    (Unless of course their statements are misleading)

    In any case, why isn't the privacy statement and contact details attached to the device (or at least a link / QR-code to them)?

    I also wouldn't be surprised if Infomatics students at Univ of Edinburgh don't find novel (and possibly intrusive) ways to use this data, attempt to hack it, etc.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  10. neddie
    Member

    Paraphrased extracts:

    These devices will capture wide spectrum audio in the range 0Hz to 96KHz, enabling audio traits both within and beyond normal human hearing range to be captured...

    all data is uploaded to Univ of Edin servers...

    an automated process that ‘scrambles’ any sounds that might be human speech...

    before sharing with the wider world...

    only a very few samples will be inspected manually by 2 observers to check for intelligible speech...

    What could go wrong?

    We will ensure that appropriate information sheets are displayed in already established signage points in the Meadows.

    Hmmm. Never seen one.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. jonty
    Member

    You're right that it doesn't actually sound like it's related to that project. I wouldn't be surprised, then, if it really is just a temperature/pressure etc. sensor. The IoT lab is just down the road so makes a good testbed for things like this.

    Have you tried asking them?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

  13. Morningsider
    Member

    Could be part of the Parklife project, which also involves wi-fi hotspots "disguised" as plastic owls. Clearly a few dedicated tokers in the University's IoT department...

    Posted 5 years ago #

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