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“Sunday parking changes set to be approved a 'democratic outrage' “
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Posted 5 years ago #
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Just checking: this was a consultation on the parking TROs, so only objections would actually be taken into account and there was no incentive for supporting comments?
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If it reduces some of the crazy amount of Sunday motor traffic, great. Should provide a wee boost for Lothian Buses and ScotRail too.
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Call me anti democratic but certain things are just fundamentally better and should be legislated for without public consultation.
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Lack of frequent bus and train services on a Sunday should be the real 'democratic outrage'.
Some places have no public transport on a Sunday and infrequent services mean families take 'the car'.
@crowriver - yes - not blockading bus routes with freestyle parking is at least one benefit of proposals.On wider note the free ticketing for younger users is good news.
On trains we should have proper cheap single fares too - another anamoly that discourages use.Posted 5 years ago # -
Is this 91% figure actually true? Or just some splaff made up by Nick Cook in a press release?
Do we have a link to the actual consultation results?
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I think what neddie is saying is <citation needed>
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<citation needed>
Yes but
91% would probably say they wanted free parking all the time, everywhere.
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Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία dēmokratía, "rule by [the] people") is a form of government in which the people exercise the authority of government. Who people are and how authority is shared among them are core issues for democratic development and constitution.
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The 91% figure is true. However as I said above, if the sole purpose of this stage of the TRO process is to solicit objections then anything less than 100% objection is surprising:
The biggest block of objections came in relation to church services; no doubt some congregations were asked to object en masse. Nothing wrong with that- it’s what Spokes do to get responses.
This wasn’t the consultation on the parking plans as a whole; that came earlier and showed a majority in support.
It’s shameless dissembling from the Tories. The next council election is going to be horrible.
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I am disappointed that "There should not be an increase in overall parking spaces within the city" was only cited by 10 objectors.
Where was the all-powerful cycling mafia?
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“ Where was the all-powerful cycling mafia?”
It’s only 10 people...
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"91% would probably say they wanted free parking all the time, everywhere."
Not sure that's true given the proportion of Edinburgh households with no car access (40% IIRC).
bad jornalism to not even mention how TROs work
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This response from the council is very depressing:
Zone 8 is the second most oversubscribed zone within the CPZ. There is a clear need to create additional parking opportunities for those who live in this part of the city centre.
The proposal is, therefore, for additional parking designed to serve an existing demand from permit holders in this densely populated area of the city, with a view to providing as close to 1:1 parking provision as possible. Provision at the present time stands at 1 space per 1.48 permits. Even with the proposed amendments to the layout of parking, it has not been possible to achieve a 1:1 ratio. It is, therefore, vitally important that we make use of as much of the kerbside space as we can in order to support those residents who pay to park their vehicles on-street.
With this in mind, it is highly likely that the spaces involved will be occupied much of the time by permit holders and that the presence of parked vehicles in this location will support the joint efforts of the school and the Council to discourage parent drop-off.
They just don't get induced-demand. The reason the ratio of permits to spaces is held at 1.48, and doesn't rise exponentially until every household has 3 cars, is because some people e.g. students look at how full the parking is and think, "it's just not worth buying a permit"
Increasing the number of spaces will simply encourage more people to buy permits and the ratio will remain exactly the same.
And as for this, WTAF:
it is highly likely that the spaces involved [outside the school gate] will be occupied much of the time by permit holders and that the presence of parked vehicles in this location will support the joint efforts of the school and the Council to discourage parent drop-off.
So, by letting people park outside the school gate, we're discouraging people from parking outside the school gate?
Rrrraaaaaaargh!
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“ Not sure that's true given the proportion of Edinburgh households with no car access (40% IIRC).”
Agree, but the 91% is those who bothered to say they didn’t like something.
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Many of the issues with congestion on a Sunday are due to it being a complete free-for-all with people parking on double-yellows, on the corner of junctions...you name it!
I agree that there is a greater tendency for people who would normally use public transport during the week to use the car on a Sunday due to the reduced service, compounded by the free-for-all aspect and the bus lanes not being in operation.
If they are serious about Edinburgh being a "7 day a week city" then they need to increase the public transport service level to be equal to a Saturday service. This would also give them reasonable justification for their planned 24/7 bus lanes.
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Green councillor Claire Miller said Cllr Cook should understand objecting to traffic orders was not the same as a referendum. “The reason fundamentally we have to change the way we charge for parking is we have to modernise our city,” she said.
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How likely is it that Cllr Cook will understand this?
Posted 5 years ago # -
Oh, he understands it alright.
He’s just continuing with the fake news, lies, propaganda & general untrustworthiness.
Posted 5 years ago # -
The Tory parking policy is riven with contradictions.
I had a recent exchange with Cllr Cook. He said that my preference for market pricing of parking would exclude the lower earners - like the housing market? I replied. Apparently not, because people already pay council tax/VED etc for roads so unfair to charge more for parking. When I asked if this meant he thought all parking charges should be abolished he went quiet...
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