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Heriot Watt access during lockdown?

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  1. Dave
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    Since we're just a couple of minutes from Heriot Watt Riccarton campus and the girls are finally able to pedal their tiny bikes, we've been going there for our single mandated exercise daily. (Sadly they do have to ride on the pavement although 99% of it is marked as shared use.)

    Completely deserted. Typical people seen is hovering around zero (unlike other nearby venues - WoL path is heaving).

    I heard a rumour that they may be trying to turn people away. Not sure why or what the basis would be but obviously want to keep the toddlers away from confrontation.

    Anyone got thoughts on the position? I would have thought some of it might be core path / right of way type terrain. I'm sure if I asked the uni, they'd thank me kindly to stay away...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. Ed1
    Member

    I cycle through Heriot Watt often as its the quietest route to Edinburgh. I have not encountered any issues or signs I was last there Sunday.

    With the outdoor access code (its not really that, outcome access code is effectively just guidance for what already existed) it would be perfectly proper to go through Heriot Watt, this has not changed due to the current circumstances.

    It appears there is still students staying in some of the halls, but not noticed many walking about.

    This is just my take, I would guess someone more in the know will be able to provide a better answer.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Have cycled through several times since lockdown with no issues.

    Noticed the goals on the playing fields have been pushed goalmouth to goalmouth - not sure if to discourage playing

    As Ed1 says, still some overseas students in halls

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. ejstubbs
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    @Dave: I would have thought some of it might be core path / right of way type terrain

    CEC 17 goes around the periphery of the campus:

    As for rights of way, here is what Scotways have to say on the question of finding out:

    "There is no definitive map of rights of way as there is in England and Wales and no single place on the web where you can find out about them."

    Heriot Watt describes its Edinburgh campus as "Set in 380 acres of beautiful parkland", which sounds to me as if access rights should definitely apply so long as you don't encroach on any of the spaces within the campus which might be covered by section 6(1)(a) or 6(1)(b) of the Land Reform (Scotland) Act 2003. Note that, per section 7(4) of the Act the campus is not a "school": if it were then access rights would not apply (although some schools do allow public access to their grounds).

    Bottom line: I reckon you're OK riding around the access roads and paths with your wains.

    @Ed1: The Act requires Scottish Natural Heritage to draw up and issue the Scottish Outdoor Access Code to provide, amongst other things: "guidance as to the circumstances in which...those exercising these rights are to be regarded as doing so in a way which is or is not responsible". In that sense it seems to be a bit like the Highway Code in that it doesn't have any legal force of itself, but it can be used as a basis to establish whether or not someone was acting in a way that was within the law.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. AKen
    Member

    Copied from a posting on the Currie Community Council Facebook page:

    Dear Allister,
    Thank you for your email.

    I have consulted with our Director of SafeGuarding Services, Les Allan. The advice is as follows.

    Our position remains that the local community is welcome on campus, as long as users adhere to Government guidelines, such as observing social distancing and limiting group size etc.

    As usual, members of the community continue to access the campus as patients of the Medical Centre, and increasing numbers have been taking daily exercise walking through from the main Avenue Entrance to the West Gait onto Curriehill Road. As ever dogs should be kept on a lead (with owners clearing up any dog waste).

    This local community use, within Government guidelines, remains welcome.

    However we have also seen a growing number of people travelling to campus in vehicles, parking up, and then going for a walk. In some cases they have not been observing social distancing / group size recommendations.

    The Police have been regularly patrolling our campus and have been seen to send people away. They have notified the University that there is an increase in people from outwith the locality driving to the park and ride and then walking onto campus. They have informed us that they will enforce the restrictions on our campus where they see breaches.

    We would welcome any assistance that the Community Council could give us in getting the key message out that whilst the campus is open to the local community, it is important that the Government guidance is followed.

    I will copy in Les Allan, whose SafeGuarding team patrol and secure the campus. I will also copy in Allan Murray and Sue Webber.

    I hope this is helpful.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. gembo
    Member

    Local university for local people. Tough one as those cooped up with nowhere to go need help. Maybe to get out on their bikes? Dusnae help the dugs right enough

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. Dave
    Member

    Thanks all. As it's dry across the field to Juniper Green that has recently become the girls' more favoured route, but there are definitely a lot more people to avoid (they are surprisingly good at social distancing considering they are only three - but mostly by just stopping to let the other person figure it out, so sometimes tricky...)

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. unhurt
    Member

    I cycled through late on Monday morning and it was pretty deserted - maybe time of day is a factor?

    Posted 5 years ago #

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