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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes

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  • Started 2 years ago by HankChief
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  1. HankChief
    Member

    Whoop whoop...

    Let's get those cones out and paint down

    (And then make them permanent)

    https://twitter.com/transcotland/status/1255142271508377600?s=19

    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. CycleAlex
    Member

    I was slightly concerned at his mention of existing legislation/guidance. If work still has to go through standard ETRO route, probably not that much use for Edinburgh considering high objections?

    https://twitter.com/justacwab/status/1255144835754811399?s=20

    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. Morningsider
    Member

    Looks good - but a few points to consider:

    Its not new money - just a reallocation within the £80m for active travel. Also, why the need to channel the cash through Sustrans?

    The "guidance" is pretty pathetic. A two page, incomplete, reiteration of existing regulations. It doesn't even mention redetermination orders, or the availability of experimental redetermination orders - or do local authorities not need to get these? If so, what the hell is going on at Roseburn/Leith Street.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Sustrans?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. Stickman
    Member

    As I was saying on the other thread, we’ll be looking back at Nick Cook’s time as Tory transport spokesman as a golden age:

    Exercise, in outdoors has v imp mental health benefits, during during this time of restriction. However, I suspect many taxpayers will raise eyebrows given the poor state of roads & pavements. £10m - would also provide immediate relief & support to many other struggling groups

    https://twitter.com/sjwebber_phw/status/1255175977690435585?s=21

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Cllr LM has replied...

    Interesting things in this thread -

    https://twitter.com/transcotland/status/1255132391867219968

    Sustrans -

    Take your pick -

    1) ‘has expertise TS doesn’t (and not interested in having)’

    2) ‘when it does things we/others don’t like, we can deny all responsibility’

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. Morningsider
    Member

    ...other struggling groups

    It's hard to imagine a group that includes more of the Scottish population than "people who use pavements". I imagine they might be happy for measures to be taken to allow social distancing.

    Unless pitching for the shut-in, misanthropic vote is now Tory strategy.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Morningsider

    My theory is that there exists a group of people who don't think anyone walks along pavements, just across them.

    They are then mystified as to why anyone would want to widen them.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    @morningsider they are merely fulfilling their contractual obligations to their sponsors (shell, BP, Ford)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. acsimpson
    Member

    Strange that she describes herself as a "Local & Vocal Champion For All". Clearly she means all motorists.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. jdanielp
    Member

    Everybody who's anybody has a car, right?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. gembo
    Member

    Yes all the people driving huge motors with no passengers from her constituency into edinburgh every morning (come lockdown being lifted). Not a care in the world about pollution. Whilst a good bus and train service is available.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. minus six
    Member

    back in dogen's day it was rivers of blood and you couldn't say sh1t lest the practise be persecuted or scapegoated

    a quivering leap smashes a billion worlds

    nothing has changed, nothing at all

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Another year older and deeper in debt to the planet?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. Morningsider
    Member

    Well, it seems like business has taken the view that everyone will decide to drive after lockdown. Next will prioritise opening out-of-town stores as:

    Out-of-town retail parks have large car parks, and outside space available to manage those waiting to get into stores

    Similarly, media reports state that John Lewis will be taking a similar approach. If these two major retailers are taking this view, then you can assume many other will do likewise. Unless these new bike lanes and wider pavements physically appear in the next two weeks, then I reckon we are heading for carmageddon.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. Stickman
    Member

    ....aaaaaaaand some councillors are now complaining that this is not “new” money but an acceleration of the planned £80m budget (fair enough, but there’s an urgent need now) and also that processes and red tape must be followed. Will they be wanting a consultation period?

    No surprise that (1) the Tories priority is potholes and (2) the LibDems’ words don’t translate to supporting actions.

    Despite the pandemic,TIE.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. Rosie
    Member

    Michael Matheson has seen the light:-

    £10M FUND ANNOUNCED FOR SCOTTISH 'POP-UP' CYCLE LANES AND WIDER PAVEMENTS
    Evening News

    Transport secretary Michael Matheson calls for “bold and ambitious plans” from councils.

    The cabinet secretary told MSPs he would provide 100 per funding for the new “Spaces for People” schemes.

    He said: “I very much hope local authorities come forward with bold and ambitious plans”.

    … “Local authorities can implement temporary measures very quickly...in a couple of weeks.”

    Mr Matheson said cycling had increased by 35 per cent compared to the February average.

    Walking had also increased after dipping in the first week of lockdown.

    However, he warned that if people simply switched to car travel when the lockdown was eased, there would be “gridlock”.

    Dr Adrian Davis, professor of transport and health at Edinburgh Napier University, said: “This is a welcome and important step in supporting the increasing active travel levels since the start of the pandemic….
    ..
    John Bynorth, policy officer for campaigners Environmental Protection Scotland, said: “It’s great to see Scotland following the lead of cities like Milan and Berlin and pushing ahead with temporary ‘pop up’ measures and infrastructure to encourage social distancing for the many cyclists and pedestrians who have poured onto our streets in recent weeks.

    “With spikes of up to 215 per cent in the number of people cycling as their daily form of exercise in places like Dunfermline, and other large rises from Dundee to East Renfrewshire, Stirling and West Lothian, this reallocated funding will give people additional peace of mind as they cycle or walk to buy essential supplies, exercise or travel to their employment as key workers.”
    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/ps10m-fund-announced-scottish-pop-cycle-lanes-and-wider-pavements-2552827

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Unless these new bike lanes and wider pavements physically appear in the next two weeks...

    If retailers concentrate on their peripheral sites and office workers continue to work at home the city centre may well be entirely deserted. Apart from people driving from Inverleith to Straiton for underwear.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. Rosie
    Member

    The Covid 19 appearing during an unusually fine April may have caused a perfect storm for cycle uptake. Whether this continues is another thing.

    @IWRATS - I can see tumbleweed blowing along Princes Street in the short term, but on a longer-term it could take on another life. Less tourism, maybe, more cafes and restaurants. Possibly even more residential for all those working from home. So local shops rather than big department stores.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Rosie

    That might well happen. Short-term lets could become residential with the Omni and Castle Terrace as residences for their cars to get to Straiton for underwear.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    “cars to get to Straiton for underwear”

    Partly depends how much ‘order it online’ remains/becomes the new normal.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. Rosie
    Member

    @IWRATS - I find your obsession with underwear disturbing.

    The streets dug up for allotments, with the cycle/walking paths running through them.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Now, if there's £10 million on offer and Sustrans take say 10% as a handling fee then Edinburgh's due about £900,000 on population share.

    What's that likely to get us?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. Rosie
    Member

    The Lithuanians have embraced the idea of cafe space in the city centre instead of shops.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/28/lithuanian-capital-to-be-turned-into-vast-open-air-cafe-vilnius?CMP=share_btn_tw

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Vilnius authorities have also given the city’s public health workers €400,000-worth (£350,000) of restaurant vouchers intended both as gesture of thanks for their work and a much-needed stimulus to the city’s cafes.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    "Edinburgh's due about £900,000 on population share.

    What's that likely to get us?"

    Some design and consultation work on City Centre Transformation? Outsourced to a civil engineering firm and kicked into the long grass for two years?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  27. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @crowriver

    That is harsh, man.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. algo
    Member

    Modal filters - introduced by planters for example - are very cheap and easy to install. If this announcement allows councils to exploit experimental TROs quickly, then maybe that £900000 would bring noticeable change. Below is a link to our liveable neighbourhoods plans (massive kudos to neddie) - @fountainbridge on twitter has done designs for the Fountainbridge and Dalry area, too and the same could be done elsewhere using the similar principles of cutting off rat runs, identifying main routes and sectioning off residential zones via planters.

    http://blackfordsaferoutes.co.uk/jgps-travel-committee/liveable-neighbourhoods/

    Of course a fair bit of thought needs to go into this to ensure essential access and potentially some junctions need signals adapted, but with a bit of political courage the actual expense of making a massive noticeable difference doesn't have to be that much in the actual implementation.

    Obviously pop up segregated cycle lanes on main routes, continuous footways etc... are more expensive and highly desireable too.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  29. shuggiet
    Member

    Excellent liveable neighbourhood plan @neddie and @algo. Is Astley Ainslie shut at the moment for through routes due to covid? Presume that it will be shut for length of social distancing period. If so route might need a diversion via Kilgraston and Whitehouse Terrace.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. algo
    Member

    Yes thanks @shuggiet - good point. This whole design was done before Covid, and in our recent communications with the council we've taken that into account just naming certain key places where modal filters would help immediately. We're also keen for this not to just be about our area but we know the traffic around us well hence the designs pertaining to that area - it would be nice if similar ideas could be considered elsewhere.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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