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Advice re unexpectedly high chain wear?

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  1. ejstubbs
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    @chdot: Never knew about the difference between axles and spindles before. Interesting. I suppose that would make an axle a fixed shaft around which a wheel rotates on a bearing.

    @iwrats: It's attached to a motor so it is also a drive shaft?

    I would call the thing that the chainring is attached to the drive shaft. The chainring is actually attached to a different splined shaft, concentric with the crank spindle. The drive shaft rotates at ~2½ times the rate that the crank spindle does. I believe there is some kind of planetary motion within the motor housing to achieve this. From what I've read, this is a Bosch feature, something to do with being able to run the motor faster which is apparently supposed to be A Good Thing.

    The chainring has only 16 teeth so it's quite small compared to a normal MTB 1x drive train (I think). OTOH the gear ratio between the crank spindle and the drive shaft would make the chainwheel equivalent to a 40T if it were attached directly to the crank spindle, which I think would be quite big for an MTB 1x drive train. But there is a motor...

    Everything is now back together. Unfortunately when lubing the new chain I noticed that there is a distinct wobble in the two smallest sprockets of the new cassette, so it looks like I didn't get that installed properly. I'll have to take the rear wheel off and have another looksy. (The old cassette was fine, except that the sprockets were worn.)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. I were right about that saddle
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    And the thread is back on topic!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. ejstubbs
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    OK, rear wheel out, new cassette lock ring removed - fine, no crossed threads. Removed all except the three big sprockets (which are all in a one-er) from the freehub and, using the old cassette (which I had carefully stacked on the shipping 'blank' in the order in which everything had come off) as a check I made sure that I had the right sequence of sprocket-spacer-sprocket und so weiter as far as the two smallest sprockets, then made very sure that they were correctly installed. I actually used the lock ring from the old cassette to complete the job since it looked perfectly fine. Result: no wobbles, happy camper.

    I think I just hadn't got the smallest sprocket seated properly when I installed it yesterday. The lock ring tightened OK but I assume that the sprocket was sufficiently wedged off-kilter to resist that. It's all good now. Another little lesson learned.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. ejstubbs
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    Final (I hope) update: Took the bike out for a shakedown ride early yesterday evening and it ran very well. So well that I extended the ride and took it up some slightly more gnarly bits in the Pentlands. Didn't miss a beat. Better still, the creak that would occasionally emerge from the motor area on a left pedal downstroke has gone, thanks to some advice I found up online while Googling around for help with the other woes that I had got myself in to. Turns out that the bolts by which the motor is attached to the frame often either aren't properly tightened during the PDI, or manage to come loose (despite having nyloc nuts). On re-installing the motor I ensured that they were properly torqued up and bingo, creak gone :)

    There are a couple of things I still want to knock properly on the head* but for now I'm just happy to be able to ride it again.

    @IWRATS: As a former electrochemist with an interest in pitting corrosion I would love to know how the crank and shaft got so intimate.

    I've taken of photo of some suspicious-looking flaws in a couple of the spline channels on the butchered crank - see here. No idea whether they were the cause of the problem, or how they arose. I couldn't see any corresponding marks on the spindle splines. What you can also see in the photo is how the offending washer I mentioned in a previous post flattened over the exposed ends of the splines on the crank - before the extractor tool stripped the threads. My new cranks are attached with FSA self-extracting bolts (which work like a charm) with properly captive washers so fingers crossed I won't have to deal with that particular drama ever again.

    * First: the chain is a little bit noisy at the chainwheel when on the three largest sprockets. I've checked that it's not rubbing anything in the chain path, or against the lockring/chainguard. I think it's actually because of the chain angle on those sprockets. I've checked the chainline by eye and it looks to me like the chainring is aligned with the middle sprocket of the eleven, which I would assume is right. Maybe it's because the larger sprockets 'release' the chain that bit later cf the smaller ones. It's only noticeable on the work stand, not when riding. The new chainwheel has the same 3mm offset that the original one had, which is required for the boost rear axle. I see that FSA do a chainring with a 2.5mm offset and I'm considering trying one of those to see whether it makes a difference. (I've already tried reversing the offset chainring on the drive shaft and in that "zero offset" configuration the chain fouls the tyre on the big sprockets so it's clearly just a question of fine-tuning, not something fundamentally wrong.)

    Second: I noticed when fitting the new cassette that the lock nuts on the freehub cones seemed to be loose - one of them started to come undone when I was turning the axle by hand. I've no idea how long they've been like that, and it's literally decades since I put a tool anywhere near a cup and cone bearing. I've no idea where my cone wrenches went! I've tightened them up as best I can by hand for now: the wheel turns freely with no discernible play, and the valve drops nicely to the bottom. It's a thru axle so I think so long as the nuts are snug when the wheel goes in they're not going to go anywhere once the thru axle is torqued up. I've turned up a Shimano service document which indicates that fettling cup and cone bearings on thru-axle freehubs is much the same as it ever was on older-style axles, which is good to know. I now have a couple of cone wrenches of the appropriate size on order so I can at least do them up properly.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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