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Millerhill Yard to Shawfair directly and avoiding busy roads

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  1. davecykl
    Member

    I'm thinking on taking a trundle for a bit of exercise, ultimately aiming for the Shawfair - Straiton cycleway, as I've not been out that way yet.

    For an easier ascent out of the city, I was thinking of going via Newcraighall and Millerhall Yard, and then between these points or thereabouts (points, railway yard, nah, forget it):

    https://www.openstreetmap.org/directions?engine=graphhopper_bicycle&route=55.9300%2C-3.0862%3B55.9172%2C-3.0875#map=15/55.9229/-3.0955&layers=C

    Unfortunately, it looks as though Whitehill Road (the road to the east of the railway yard) is unhelpfully closed off at the south end by the loop out of the railway yard.

    The map suggests that it might be possible to go between the two halves of the waste plant thing and then follow semi-derelict roads from there to approach Shawfair from the east. But from aerial photography, it's not clear whether you can get round from the waste plant to those roads without fences and/or the new Borders railway getting in the way, as well as potentially fences elsewhere.

    Does anyone know if this would be a possible cycleable route or not?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    Well

    This used to be one my favourite areas to visit. But essentially that was before they built the railway and the waste plant.

    There used to be various ways through and gates seldom shut. Then repurposing of the Millerhill railway yard, various developments etc.

    I understand about H&S and ‘security’ but a decent walking/cycling route, in fact several, was clearly “OBVIOUS” to anyone vaguely interested in developing the whole Shawfair area...

    Please go and explore and report back.

    Check out this bridge and see if it’s still in ‘the middle of nowhere’ or whether anything has happened more recently.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. crowriver
    Member

    Personal jetpack could work?

    Otherwise be prepared for drivists comin' at ye.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. Frenchy
    Member

    Millerhill Road is fast and busy, but it is incredibly wide at that point, and drivers do tend to give you a very wide berth there.

    The pavement is also highly unlikely to be being used by any pedestrians...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. Cyclops
    Member

    I run around here most weeks.

    The openstreet route is actually not bad. Whitehill Rd is very quiet as it's a dead end, you just tend to get the odd bin lorry going to the waste plants. Shawfair Farm Road is residents access only (and observed by drivers) so it's really unusual to meet any cars along the road. The A6106 can be busy but it's very wide just after Hilltown and mostly downhill so you won't be on it long. The road to Shawfair station is again a dead end so very quiet.

    Off road options are a bit complicated. You can't get in between the two waste plants anymore as they started building there. The road past the waste plants becomes a perfectly cycleable track but you then need to find a route through the birch wood to the west to reach the site of Monktonhall colliery. Once on the colliery site it's pretty easy, if a little rocky in places.

    The "bridge to nowhere" is still there although blocked at either end by big lumps of concrete. You can squeeze past on foot although you likely need to lift a bike. Also bike access to the west side of the bridge is "challenging" if not on an MTB

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Shawfair Farm Road is the route to ‘the bridge’ (via farm track).

    Or, coming off Whitehill Road, you could explore the bing. Could be bulldozed into a (almost) urban MTB facility but I don’t expect that to ever happen.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Last two times I've ridden along Whitehill Road I've found a tenner.

    I tried to cycle past the waste plant hoping to reach Millerhill (near Jewson) last year. There was some work being done at the far end of the plant car park so I couldn't tell whether there was a viable route through or not. I'd be interested in finding out.

    There's quite a stench at the gas plant! Otherwise as others have said, Millerhill Road has a good pavement for MTBs and the road is wide in any case.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    @cyclingmollie - how close together in time and indeed space were these finds?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. Cyclops
    Member

    Or, coming off Whitehill Road, you could explore the bing

    That's definitely the easiest way on/off the bing. You can also get off at Shawfair Farm but it's a bit steeper. There's also a very steep track up from the waste plant access road just before the bridge crossing the Borders railway. Finally, the southeast corner has a steep track leading down to the bridge to nowhere but the farmer's blocked it with telegraph poles to prevent motorbikes and it's a bit of a clamber, even on foot.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    @gembo About three days in time and opposite sides of the road in space. By the paddock.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. davecykl
    Member

    OK, I went exploring…

    Approaching from the Brunstane direction, I went through the new housing estate at Newcraighall. That makes for a handier shorter route for NCR 1 (nice), but, umm, how on earth did the Clowncil (they deserve that here) not get the developer to pay for a zebra or toucan crossing across Newcraighall Road? There's nothing apart from fairly poor sightlines and your own luck. Serious fail.

    Along the path alongside the A1, you realise just how substandardly narrow it is compared to more recent construction, which is a genuine shame as the link at QMU is good and wide and smooth in comparison. An obvious missing link here: in theory it links QMU with Newcraighall station, but it is narrow and unwelcoming, and if they're serious about it (let alone serving Newcraighall itself) why didn't the Borders railway project add an underpass/tunnel and a lift from/to the station platform to the east side of the railway where people actually live? It really is such a "can't get there from here" for something you can practically see from there and adds at the very least 5 minutes' extra walk to get to/from the station unnecessarily. And there really should be a burgher bike dock at the station so you can get to QMU or (hah) the retail fortress just to the west (if they cared about such things).

    OK, back to the route. I'd forgotten what a slog uphill it is from the underpass under the A1 to Whitehill Road. There's now a gate across the path where it meets the road, but with a gap for bikes next to it (I guess to try to prevent flytipping?).

    Down to the waste plants. The gap between them shown on OSM is still there, but the side road stub almost immediately turns into gravel and mud, sort of rolled out for about 50 m, but then it's overgrown with plants beyond that. You'd probably need to hack back a bit even to get through on foot, so not a route for bikes, even pushed!

    I followed the road on the east side of the waste plants further south, which quickly stops and becomes a track. At the northeast edge of the woods, it turned out that there is a very obvious (in the black coal dusty ground?) track leading into the forest heading west south of the boundary fence (which, annoyingly, has an inaccessible nice perimeter road going all the way round). This track looks well used, either for BMX or perhaps motocross, heading further into the woods. Anyway, it extends through to the west side of the woods (although sufficiently uneven that I had to push), and so you can reach the semi-derelict roads on the west side. (Maybe someone with OSM skillz could add this?)

    It's a little hard to get your bearings or scale here as it seems that much of the ground here is covered in concrete, presumably part of the former use. You head south a bit, and then west, along a well used looking track to come out opposite the entrance to Shawfair station, although, where the track doesn't quite reach the road, you have to roll partly down into and up out of the (dry) ditch alongside the road.

    Amazingly, from the station access road the route to Loanhead and Roslin is well signposted from here onwards, although the bridge over the railway to Newton village (over which you are directed) has the most awkwardly angular and tight hairpins on its ramps, making it almost impossible to cycle up or down (would it really have been so difficult to spend a tiny bit more and make the turns looser and more curved?).

    And then onwards, via a rather horrible and fast looking probably hostile two lane roundabout onto Shawfair Avenue, which, infuriatingly has a decent wide cycleway alongside. So why end it with a horrible roundabout here? Guess you weren't serious about encouraging future residents east or north of here to cycle after all! Stupid!

    And finally onto the cycleway to Straiton. Quite nice, through open countryside for the first part, with some nice wildflowers alongside. It is a steeper slog uphill than I had expected until you get to Gilmerton Road, however, but maybe that's a heavy 3-speed for you…

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    “why didn't the Borders railway project add an underpass/tunnel and a lift from/to the station platform to the east side of the railway where people actually live?“

    Indeed.

    There was (and IS) a more straightforward option (railway people don’t like tunnelling under live railways - though here the embankment is so deep I wouldn’t think there would be much risk).

    *All* that was/is required is a ramp from platform level up to the A1 bridge and a longer ramp on the other side.

    The original idea was to make it easier for people going to QMU but there could probably be a ramp in the other direction too/instead.

    I doubt if many CEC or EL planners (or developers) have read this (or even know it exists) -


    SEStran Newcraighall Study Feasibility Study for Footpath/Cyclepath SEStran May 2008

    https://www.sestran.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Background-Paper-A9.-Newcraighall-foot-bridge-final-report.pdf

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. Arellcat
    Moderator

    As it happens, I was exploring the area just last month. I know the motocross bit davecykl mentions, because I cycled all of it! The bridge to nowhere is of very little utility partly because of the concrete and the huge logs blocking it, but mainly because of rampant hogweed all around, which also prevented me from getting up to the bing for a nosy.

    Much of the ground is covered in concrete because it was Monktonhall Colliery. The main shaft is covered over with about a thousand tonnes of steel plates.

    My route is on Strava but here's a screenshot of where I managed to go:

    (click to embiggen)

    The cycle path west from Shawfair is indeed surprisingly steep as far as GSR. It's the kind of gradient that looks level but you're working harder and harder for no apparent increase in speed.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. Frenchy
    Member

    I was confused at your route choice at Shawfair Avenue. Took me an embarrassingly long time to realise that Strava's imagery is just pre-railway.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I've updated the image, as I was aware it was misleading!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    Nice aerial shots of marshalling yard area

    https://canmore.org.uk/site/263337/millerhill-marshalling-yard

    More photos

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I have virtually no idea where that is. I mean I know where it is I just don't think I have any knowledge of the area.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

  19. chdot
    Admin

    I see Old Craighall Road has been narrowed to ‘improve the parking’.

    Link shows one of very few remains of Edmonstone Tramway

    https://goo.gl/maps/a3DFvwAujdb8oYEj6

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. davecykl
    Member

    Being a bit zonked by the time I got back last night, I forget to say thanks for everyone's earlier comments, so "Thanks!".

    @chdot, that's interesting to read that a ramp over the railway to Newcraighall station was actually proposed. That could also be useful, although going quite close alongside the A1, even relatively briefly, on a dark and wet night (bearing in mind that most of the academic year is autumn - spring) with spray from passing vehicles could be quite offputting for some. But I suppose it probably would be cheaper than an underpass.

    Also, all of the (handful of) articles on the edinrail.wordpress.com website make quite fascinating reading, thanks for that!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    “although going quite close alongside the A1 ... could be quite offputting for some“

    Yes BUT

    There’s an amazing amount of space.

    No idea why bridge was built so wide.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. Frenchy
    Member

    Futureproofing an extra lane each way?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. Tulyar
    Member

    I was also raising the issue with @arellcat that Shawfair is effectively the station for RIE and Bioquarter - around 50% of a route for walking & cycling to RIE is already a paved highway, leaving around 1500m of virgin ground or rough field track to upgrade.

    This would deliver a 2.7Km route from Shawfair Station to RIE, but also deliver a cycling & walking route from The Wisp & Danderhall to Shawfair Station

    The CEC boundary appears to run along Old Dalkeith Road so most of this is in MidLothian, perhaps they need a nudge?

    Some decent routes from Shawfair to the Hitachi & Network Rail sites in Millerhill Yard might also be a detail to press for, especially if these are walkable as well as cycleable, as I believe that 'Scotlands Railway'(TM) is on a small mission to reduce their carbon footprint, and at present I imagine that most staff trips to collect trains, or work on the sites basically involve driving there, often in a 'one-person(al)' car or van

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    “so most of this is in MidLothian, perhaps they need a nudge?“

    Good luck with that. MidL never had much interest in cycling.

    Once upon a time Shawfair has a key part of grand development proposals for the South East Wedge. There was even a company involving the two councils and some house builders.

    Many lost opportunities and too much piecemeal development.

    It’s not dewy-eyed nostalgia to imagine that if Lothian Region still existed this would all look a lot more joined up.

    Some background here

    http://www.edinburgharchitecture.co.uk/south-east-wedge

    (Doesn’t seem to have been updated for 15 years)

    This is 7 years old and only covers the CEC bits.

    https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/26060/edinburgh-bioquarter-and-south-east-wedge-parkland-finalised-supplementary-guildance

    Last year -

    The 2002 masterplan for the Shawfair development (which forms part of the outline application for Shawfair, planning application 02/00660/OUT, approved in 2014) contains a landscape framework which considers linkages between Shawfair and the surrounding area. The landscape concept is to provide a strategic green link between Holyrood Park and Dalkeith Park and the overall aspiration for this large green network is to provide safe off-road routes from Midlothian through to Edinburgh and into the City Centre.

    While this aspiration could still be achieved through the delivery of a housing proposal if appropriate paths and connections were provided, development of the application site would create a narrowed section of green space which would erode the potential for a robust green link between the two local authority areas. The visual impact of the narrowed green space is seen to the greatest extent from viewpoints on the north east of the site. According to the applicant's Landscape and Visual Impact Assessment, views from Queen's Drive and Craigmillar Castle are where the greatest impact on the narrowing of the green link is particularly prevalent. The visual impression of the green space is that of a considerably narrowed area. This would discourage walkers or cyclists from utilising the green link, and while sensitive design could improve a reduced green link, the width is not sufficient within its context.

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/mgConvert2PDF.aspx?ID=5298

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    In parallel (if only there was more thought about moving people not cars).

    Perhaps Holyrood Greens should be taking a greater interest in Shawfair area ‘green network’ potential.


    But Mr Briggs said: “It is extremely disappointing that SNP ministers have yet again delayed the development of the overdue construction works that are so desperately needed at Sheriffhall junction.

    “The traffic jams caused at this junction are a nightmare for motorists and it is crucial that infrastructure is in place for the economic development of Edinburgh and the South East of Scotland.

    “Given Covid there is an opportunity for us to look at potentially shovel-ready projects like this to keep people in work and the Scottish Government should be trying to do that. It’s a win-win situation - we can improve congestion and deliver jobs. The government should look at this with a fresh set of eyes given the cirumstances and tell people in Lothian what they’re going to do.

    “It’s very odd they agreed to the review just for the Greens’ votes. I think people want action on it - and if they’re not going to do it, they should be honest and say they intend to leave it as it is.

    “Motorists and the local Lothian economy deserve better than this. They need to get a move on to address this unacceptable congestion.”


    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/scottish-government-told-get-move-new-flyover-sheriffhall-roundabout-2927820

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    Ps

    Has bypass/Sheriffhall traffic/congestion returned to normal?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. wingpig
    Member

    It looked fairly normal the Monday before last when we came back through from the west in the early evening. Queues in all directions except from Dalkeith.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. Frenchy
    Member

    Has bypass/Sheriffhall traffic/congestion returned to normal?

    Google Maps' journey time predictions don't think so, although I don't know how quickly they adapt to changing traffic levels.

    Traffic is currently heaviest in the early afternoon rather than at normal commute times, and there's little difference between weekdays and weekends. So every day is like a "normal" Saturday.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. Cyclops
    Member

    Network rail have closed the "bridge to nowhere" (NT320703) with their usual 2m high spiked metal fencing on either side. Although they don't own the land either side of the bridge they obviously decided they wanted to stop the couple of pedestrians who use it each day and me when I run that way a couple of times a week. NR have also prevented themselves using it unless they bring an angle grinder so what it's meant to achieve is anyone's guess.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    Mmm

    Not been that way for a few years, was always something of an entertaining adventure - a ‘day out’, look at MidL industrial relics (inc the Edmonstone Waggonway) and lament for all the walk/cycle routes that c/should be.

    No doubt NR is concerned about people dropping things from the bridge.

    The chance of such things happening is reduced in places where access and activity is encouraged for more people…

    Of course NR can do (more or less) what it likes, may even suit the affected landowners (does NR own the bridge??). An email to MidL Council asking if they know about it - and any plans for the area - might be beneficial.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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