CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
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Yeah, there were a couple of short sections of paint only lanes, including the build outs, since 2008. Both on the eastbound side only.
The Travelling Safely added parking restrictions and wands along the full length of Duddingston Road, and 'adopted' theses existing features.
Super info, cheers!
Managed to find the full PDF plan of the Comiston Rd grinder elimination - it's from June last year, which dampens my enthusiasm slightly but there must be a reason Cllr Ross was passing it on to Mr Bailey and pals recently: https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/36984/comiston-road-revisions-designs-1
I think the smart move would be to point out that this is a pedestrian focused improvement, with the change to the cycle lane a secondary issue (which is true as the real improvement is the pedestrian crossing of Braid Hills Road). Helps spike any "will no-one think of the poor pedestrian?" arguments.
Very good point. Still to work out under what programme of work / project it's meant to materialise under... or whether it's held off until next year when (if) Comiston Rd ETRO made permanent. Have asked Cllr Ben Parker if he knows.
Bit concerned there don't seem to be any Rosehill defenders (the black/white bollards) shown on the drawings.
Does that mean there is no protection, and it's just a mandatory painted-on lane?
I took the double line to mean defenders - council officer David Sinclair mentioned at TRO sub that one way the visibility of the bases of orca bollards was improved was by the team deciding to double up on white lines, one either side of the bollard unit. To me, this also seems to lend to a sort of visual space reservation for replacing with kerb segregation? But certainly I'd take this to mean protection at double lined sections.
Fair. Although other drawings I've seen have explicitly stated "Rosehill defenders x off" with square spots marking their locations
@bakky - the diagram you linked to lists the project as "Dropped Kerb phase 2b". The changes are far more than installing a dropped kerb, but who knows how these things are classified.
@bakky: Unfortunately, in the parking spaces on Comiston Road some drivists seem to regard those double lines as a guide to where their nearside wheels should be, thus putting cyclists using the segregated lane even closer to their door zone.
I would be in favour of the wands being replaced by kerb segregation sooner or later, not least because it might deter those who seem to regard the gaps between the wands as being parking spaces on the cycle lane (two encounters with such on one northbound journey last week, grrr).
@ejstubbs I too have encountered many a questionable parking job on said doubles or just square in the lane.
One auld lad I challenged explained he was parked in the cycle lane because he had to take a call about his alcoholic son. I explained that while I was very sorry to hear about his family issues he still needed to park somewhere actually legal as ‘important phone call’ is not a lawfully protected state of being.
I believe, anecdotally or otherwise, that kerb segregation solves quite a lot of that kind of parking.
during the recent nice weather my neighbours and I have been noticing how many people get in their car, start the car, check their phone and then sit with engine idling for 10 minutes.
One of my neighbours decided to say something to one guy who got very upset because he "had just heard his wife was pregnant" .
Amazing the number of family emergencies that crop up as soon as someone starts their car.
Engine idling is one of these social behaviours that once you start thinking about it / someone points it out, you see it everywhere. Wildly prevalent.
And yet Rule 123 of the Highway Code states that it is forbidden on a public road.
Drivers of motor vehicles can often be observed breaking the law. Who knew?
Instead of moving the island, they could just realign the wall from the two benches up to Braid Hills Rd in a straight line, which would free up about 3 feet more width for pedestrians and cyclists... that bit always used to be so annoying whenever I was there.
Wouldn't that partly depend on who the wall, and the 'land' behind the wall, belongs to? (Not that I don't think your idea has merit.)
Council officers have confirmed option 3 works have an estimated start date of September '25
Fun times are afoot;
While we expected an ETRO to land, with Option 3 and reopening of Braid Ave, residents told me today that a permanent TRO has been advertised with a deadline for comment of 12th Sept:
TRO/25/17 Various Roads Proposed introduction of Meadows to Greenbank quiet route Closes 12 September 2025
https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/downloads/file/37867/plans
I’ve not quite sussed out what this means at this stage.
I don't understand this. The TRO drawings appear to show both the current 'temporary' layout and its proposed replacement.
They are not presented as a 'before and after' and there is no indication this is the intention. It is vital to know what is proposed before submitting any comments.
I have contacted the Council for clarification.
I’m also confused by the publication of this without it going to our favourite Sub-Committee; and the fact that the drawings say ‘ETRO’ but appear to be published as a TRO. I believe the residents I spoke with also said it has a different alignment and placement of filters to the status quo…
Comparing the new document to the detailed designs - I hadn't noticed before that this specifies kerbed defenders, which I would assume means they intend to install kerbs even during the Option 3 ETRO? Seems rather savvy
(I am wrong; elsewhere in the detailed design, it talks about 'defender kerbs' and the number / spacing of them, so I believe these are Rosehill Defenders again)
This whole project has been fumbled so badly in terms of communication and timelines. The current layout has been in place for, what, over 5 years now and we still have no idea what the future is.
My guess is that those drawings should have been published as an ETRO rather than TRO and the two "supplementary measures" are formalising the measures that could be introduced if the new ETRO doesn't work out - restoring the modal filters, and making Comiston Terrace one way. I'd prefer they just scrapped the new segregated lanes, kept the new pavement build out at Midmar, and introduced those Supplementary Measures. It'd strengthen what's there at the moment, and save a fortune building out those segregated lanes.
“and save a fortune“
Too sensible
Officer clarification:
You are correct it is an experimental order.TRO/25/17 is actually not currently subject to public consultation. It is currently subject to a ‘First Stage’ or Statutory consultation which is targeted at so-called Statutory consultees – ie: Police Scotland and other blue light services, etc. We do host these publicly which can create some confusion.
The Public Consultation will commence at the implementation of the changes and will run for 6 months. Before the public consultation starts we will issue leaflet drops to all affected households notifying them of the date for the works and the associated dates for the consultation.
I will issue an explanation and update to Morningside Ward Councillors and Morningside Community Council shortly which will hopefully help address any confusion.
“which will hopefully help address any confusion”
Sure…
The date for Greenbank to Meadows getting permanent materials upgrade is 2033/34 (according to next week’s TRO Sub papers).
Strap in, everyone!
An update from Blackford Safe Routes
https://blackfordsaferoutes.co.uk/braid-estate-and-whitehouse-loan/
Thanks neddie. How on earth are westbound bikes in the bidirectional bike lanes on Hermitage Drive supposed to safely navigate the junction with Braid Road? Another moronic design from CEC.
Via the existing tiger crossings, one from the north corner of Braid Rd where the protected cycleway will end, and then westwards across the tiger to Braidburn Terrace.
Currently when we’ve been exiting Braid Rd coming south, we have been using the signed and provided dropped kerb to access the pavement leading to the tiger pair, and have found we have moved past the ‘beep beep what the hell are you doing cycling across a zebra’ phase (in which a number of local drivers entered my mandatory parallel crossing education programme) and into the ‘oh, I have to give way to you don’t I? That’s why I can feel your eyes in my very soul’ phase of acceptance and observance.
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