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Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route (Inc Braid Road/Estate)

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  1. pringlis
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    One thing I find fascinating if you read the Keep Morningside Moving group is how sure they are that the view to remove the scheme in its entirety is the majority one. Both amongst residents and the city at large. Yet it's the same 6-8 people posting and commenting on every post...

    I try not to engage but I almost got pulled in the other day when someone suggested polling every household on the Braid Estate. I wanted to ask whether they'd include responses from the children - can you imagine a single child living on the Braid Estate who'd vote to reintroduce through traffic? Even those living on Midmar Gardens would surely prefer a modal filter to be added there...

    Any driver who finds it frustrating to drive along such streets might want to hand their licence back.

    I have witnessed that frustration, and on Hermitage Drive, and it's purely from those who think that all streets should 1) have parking on both sides, 2) have free flowing traffic in two lanes at all times. i.e. who want to treat the roads as trunk roads/arterial routes and not residential streets.

    Posted 3 days ago #

  2. bakky
    Member

    The amount of insistence from the proprietors of that group, that council officers must be manipulating consultation responses, withholding information, lying about monitoring etc. is actually tragic.

    So incredibly convenient to be able to essentially say 'the facts don't agree with me, so they must be the facts'.

    What is the likelihood that the estate bucks the trends from the Edinburgh Walking and Cycling Index?

    If the option to reopen Braid Rd only had the support of 47% of the people who responded to the consultation within the local area, does this not demonstrate to them they're not the majority by any stretch?

    Posted 3 days ago #

  3. pringlis
    Member

    Hah, yes, I've given up trying to engage Paul on statistics. He just claims the data is flawed.

    I'm looking forward to Voi extending their zone to cover that part of the Quiet Route. Given how busy the current station at the north end of Midmar Drive is I'm willing to bet there'd be a lot more traffic when it extends south and covers Comiston/Greenbank/Oxgangs/Faimilehead/etc.

    Posted 3 days ago #

  4. ejstubbs
    Member

    I have witnessed that frustration, and on Hermitage Drive

    Midmar Drive is a bit too steep, windy and with poor sightlines for southbound drivers to attempt an overtake there, but I've lost count of the number who have stormed past me on Hermitage Drive when I've been sticking within the 20mph limit.

    Are the 20mph limits ever policed? The 20mph street I live on is on favourite rat-run from Comiston Road to Oxgangs Road and vice versa. Far too many rat-runners seem to regard sticking to the 20mph limit as likely to negate any 'advantage' they may perceive themselves as getting by avoiding the Fairmilehead crossroads, so they don't bother. And don't get me started on the ones that also cut clean across the corner when turning in to Caiystane Terrace (also when turning into Caiystane Crescent, though fewer of them do it there for some reason.)

    Posted 3 days ago #

  5. Frenchy
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    Are the 20mph limits ever policed?

    I seem to remember someone saying they'd seen a police speed camera van in Holyrood Park. Whether they were actually stopping anyone, or just hoping that the occasional presence of the van helped, I have no idea.

    Posted 3 days ago #

  6. pringlis
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    Are the 20mph limits ever policed?

    Police are rarely out, and when they are it's as a deterrent - they stand in high vis holding a camera so people slow down, they don't actively try and catch people.

    The council have started rolling out "measures" in streets where monitoring shows that the average speed is over iirc 24mph. It's a poor effort though, if you ask me. Very little physical infrastructure, and mostly consists of installing sockets for vehicle activated speed signs (the ones that show your speed and encourage you to slow down) but they intend to just rotate a few signs around the different sites rather than have them permanently there.

    I'm at the Blackford Pond end of Cluny Gardens where the average speed was found to be in excess of 25mph which is meant to trigger action, but they've told me not to expect anything this year. I'm thinking of crowdfunding a speed sign with neighbours and offering it to the council to install!

    Posted 3 days ago #

  7. EdinburghCycleCam
    Member

    > Are the 20mph limits ever policed?

    Basically no. A couple of years back, I got fed up with all the speeding in Holyrood Park and reported someone who was doing 55 mph (based on distance over time). The police said that they can't use video footage to issue speeding fines (which I'm pretty sure if a lie) and if I have an issue with speeding, I should report every instance of it to 101 so they can build up a pattern, and MAYBE if they get enough complaints they'll send officers to check on speeds.

    Fine in theory, but 101 usually has a 30+ minute wait, and I'm not sitting on hold for an hour a day to report the speeding I see every morning and evening.

    And surprisingly, drivers tend not to do 3x the speed limit when there's a marked police car parked up.

    Posted 3 days ago #

  8. neddie
    Member

    when someone suggested polling every household on the Braid Estate. I wanted to ask whether they'd include responses from the children - can you imagine a single child living on the Braid Estate who'd vote to reintroduce through traffic?

    Asking these kind of questions only normalises the idea that consultations are referendums. “We” need to ram home the point that they are not!

    Posted 2 days ago #

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