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Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route (Inc Braid Road/Estate)

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  1. pringlis
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    One thing I find fascinating if you read the Keep Morningside Moving group is how sure they are that the view to remove the scheme in its entirety is the majority one. Both amongst residents and the city at large. Yet it's the same 6-8 people posting and commenting on every post...

    I try not to engage but I almost got pulled in the other day when someone suggested polling every household on the Braid Estate. I wanted to ask whether they'd include responses from the children - can you imagine a single child living on the Braid Estate who'd vote to reintroduce through traffic? Even those living on Midmar Gardens would surely prefer a modal filter to be added there...

    Any driver who finds it frustrating to drive along such streets might want to hand their licence back.

    I have witnessed that frustration, and on Hermitage Drive, and it's purely from those who think that all streets should 1) have parking on both sides, 2) have free flowing traffic in two lanes at all times. i.e. who want to treat the roads as trunk roads/arterial routes and not residential streets.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  2. bakky
    Member

    The amount of insistence from the proprietors of that group, that council officers must be manipulating consultation responses, withholding information, lying about monitoring etc. is actually tragic.

    So incredibly convenient to be able to essentially say 'the facts don't agree with me, so they must be the facts'.

    What is the likelihood that the estate bucks the trends from the Edinburgh Walking and Cycling Index?

    If the option to reopen Braid Rd only had the support of 47% of the people who responded to the consultation within the local area, does this not demonstrate to them they're not the majority by any stretch?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  3. pringlis
    Member

    Hah, yes, I've given up trying to engage Paul on statistics. He just claims the data is flawed.

    I'm looking forward to Voi extending their zone to cover that part of the Quiet Route. Given how busy the current station at the north end of Midmar Drive is I'm willing to bet there'd be a lot more traffic when it extends south and covers Comiston/Greenbank/Oxgangs/Faimilehead/etc.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  4. ejstubbs
    Member

    I have witnessed that frustration, and on Hermitage Drive

    Midmar Drive is a bit too steep, windy and with poor sightlines for southbound drivers to attempt an overtake there, but I've lost count of the number who have stormed past me on Hermitage Drive when I've been sticking within the 20mph limit.

    Are the 20mph limits ever policed? The 20mph street I live on is on favourite rat-run from Comiston Road to Oxgangs Road and vice versa. Far too many rat-runners seem to regard sticking to the 20mph limit as likely to negate any 'advantage' they may perceive themselves as getting by avoiding the Fairmilehead crossroads, so they don't bother. And don't get me started on the ones that also cut clean across the corner when turning in to Caiystane Terrace (also when turning into Caiystane Crescent, though fewer of them do it there for some reason.)

    Posted 1 month ago #
  5. Frenchy
    Member

    Are the 20mph limits ever policed?

    I seem to remember someone saying they'd seen a police speed camera van in Holyrood Park. Whether they were actually stopping anyone, or just hoping that the occasional presence of the van helped, I have no idea.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  6. pringlis
    Member

    Are the 20mph limits ever policed?

    Police are rarely out, and when they are it's as a deterrent - they stand in high vis holding a camera so people slow down, they don't actively try and catch people.

    The council have started rolling out "measures" in streets where monitoring shows that the average speed is over iirc 24mph. It's a poor effort though, if you ask me. Very little physical infrastructure, and mostly consists of installing sockets for vehicle activated speed signs (the ones that show your speed and encourage you to slow down) but they intend to just rotate a few signs around the different sites rather than have them permanently there.

    I'm at the Blackford Pond end of Cluny Gardens where the average speed was found to be in excess of 25mph which is meant to trigger action, but they've told me not to expect anything this year. I'm thinking of crowdfunding a speed sign with neighbours and offering it to the council to install!

    Posted 1 month ago #
  7. EdinburghCycleCam
    Member

    > Are the 20mph limits ever policed?

    Basically no. A couple of years back, I got fed up with all the speeding in Holyrood Park and reported someone who was doing 55 mph (based on distance over time). The police said that they can't use video footage to issue speeding fines (which I'm pretty sure if a lie) and if I have an issue with speeding, I should report every instance of it to 101 so they can build up a pattern, and MAYBE if they get enough complaints they'll send officers to check on speeds.

    Fine in theory, but 101 usually has a 30+ minute wait, and I'm not sitting on hold for an hour a day to report the speeding I see every morning and evening.

    And surprisingly, drivers tend not to do 3x the speed limit when there's a marked police car parked up.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  8. neddie
    Member

    when someone suggested polling every household on the Braid Estate. I wanted to ask whether they'd include responses from the children - can you imagine a single child living on the Braid Estate who'd vote to reintroduce through traffic?

    Asking these kind of questions only normalises the idea that consultations are referendums. “We” need to ram home the point that they are not!

    Posted 1 month ago #
  9. pringlis
    Member

    TRO Sub-Committee meeting where a decision will be made has been brought forward to May 12th. https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=645&MId=7799

    Posted 1 month ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    An Edinburgh primary school has been shortlisted to be named as the UK’s best primary school of 2026 at a prestigious competition.

    South Morningside Primary School has been named as a nominee for Primary School of the Year at the Tes School Awards 2026.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/education/edinburgh-primary-school-in-the-running-to-be-named-uk-best-primary-school-7419757

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  11. pringlis
    Member

    Agenda up for the TRO meeting - https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=645&MId=7799

    Keep Morningside Moving Facebook group claiming victory, saying that the filters in Braid Estate will be removed as there were drafting errors in the ETRO. I can't make head nor tails of the documents but it does seem like that may be the case, unless they are proposing keeping them under a separate ETRO.

    4.37 It is therefore recommended that the waiting restrictions associated with the modal
    filters at these two locations are also removed from the Order, should it be made
    permanent.
    4.38 The three other prohibitions of motor vehicles trialled at Whitehouse Loan and
    Canaan Lane as part of ETRO/21/29D are scheduled correctly and are unaffected.
    4.39 Due to the interdependency between the prohibition of motor vehicles on Braid
    Road (included within ETRO/21/29B) and the two prohibitions at Braid Avenue and
    Hermitage Gardens, as noted in paragraph 3.10, it is recommended that the
    prohibition of motor vehicles on Braid Road and its associated waiting restrictions
    should be removed from ETRO/21/29B

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  12. bakky
    Member

    OK, yeah, that tracks. "Hey I know TEC voted to make this scheme permanent but we've just realised some wording in an archaic order is slightly wrong now that the antis laywer neighbour has pointed that out to us, so of course we'll immediately capitulate to them and make life more dangerous for vulnerable road users, hands are tied guv'nor".

    The sheer capacity for (nearly) every poltician and officer to disappoint the [rule2] out of me at each and every step of this process is beyond staggering.

    [Further rule2ing]

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  13. Morningsider
    Member

    As discussed at canoPY, I just felt that this was always going to be the end result. I thought political cowardice would be the reason though, not an administrative cock up. Should have seen it coming though - the Council dismissed the ERSO suggestion on the grounds it needed the same level of consultation as a full RSO, which is wrong.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  14. bakky
    Member

    Cllr ‘Integrity’ Munro heard shouting across the street in the Braid estate “don’t worry about the quiet route, I’ve sorted that out” or words to that effect. Then assumedly went back to smarmily deluding herself that she’s going to make it to the Scottish Parliament.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  15. bakky
    Member

    Transport Committee calls for permanent Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route; opponents pressure Council Officers into removing filters anyway

    Capitulation to loud motoring minority as ‘incorrectly worded’ legal order for two modal filters on the Braid Estate sees Officers report ‘recommend removal’ - when not legally required

    https://edi.bike/articles/2026-05-04-quiet-route-paperwork-problems/

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  16. bakky
    Member

    I DO THIS FOR FUN

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    “I DO THIS FOR FUN“

    YES

    But do you have sufficient ’TIME’??

    More importantly YOU (and anyone/everyone else) shouldn’t have to

    Not least (as you include in your forensic detailing) because -

    In any other sensible world, when a mistake is made in the paperwork, IT IS FIXED - not by changing the physical world to match the incorrect documents, but by updating the text.

    Only Edinburgh council could make such a mess of it

    Blackford Safe Routes on Bluesky

    https://bsky.app/profile/blackfordsaferoutes.co.uk/post/3mkwsbpybm22v

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  18. bakky
    Member

    Updated 2026 Quiet Route Map with filter statuses, contextual images and corrections:

    To download full size, 10mb PNG on Dropbox:

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/szxm1fusr5wka7mp5yumv/G2M-Map-Update-2026.png?rlkey=ivmf6qp22n9gjijlm2sq3k971&dl=0

    Any corrections / thorough checking-over more than welcome before wider circulation.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  19. pringlis
    Member

    The Dropbox link gives a "This item was deleted" error - have sharing permissions been set appropriately?

    Posted 1 week ago #
  20. bakky
    Member

    Apologies, I naïvely thought replacing the file with new versions would stay at the same Dropbox URL.

    v3:
    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nbd4nayyy7ecog5bubvd0/G2M-Map-Update-2026-v3.png?rlkey=mu3m14ek5w3499ey2xcofnr1m&dl=0

    Posted 1 week ago #
  21. bakky
    Member

    V4 tweak: updated images for JGPS filters after feedback.

    Awaiting other feedback before minting a v4 export

    Posted 1 week ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    Something has eaten pringlis’s recent post

    Can’t explain

    Concerned as this is only second vanished post ever

    BUT

    There has been another one today

    Posted 1 week ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin


    Low traffic streets: Five years, two censured councillors, and endless uncertainty

    Why is the local authority set to tear up traffic filters which councillors voted to keep?

    https://www.edinburghinquirer.co.uk/p/low-traffic-streets-five-years-two?

    Posted 1 week ago #
  24. neddie
    Member

    Archived version of the Inquirer article above:

    https://archive.ph/tIAD8

    Posted 1 week ago #
  25. pringlis
    Member

    Not sure why my post was eaten. I was saying the map looked good and if nothing else would serve as a good historical record! I then went on an extended rant about Canaan Lane. At the time the Quiet Route was implemented Canaan Lane was two way traffic as it was filtered at the Morningside Road end by the welfare units for the flats being constructed at the old public toilets. Before that construction came to an end (2022 sometime maybe) I met multiple times with councillors and council officials as part of Parent Council efforts to ask that they not reopen the road - it was now going directly past a school, it'd been fine for two years with it closed (and no-one campaigning for it to reopen), and the only purpose for having it as a through road is as a short cut, going from Woodburn Terrace to Morningside Road is served by two other parallel roads. Despite noises of agreement like everything else that might actually be a positive move, that didn't happen as there's no bloody competence or political will at Edinburgh Council.

    Maybe for the best the post was deleted!

    Posted 1 week ago #
  26. bakky
    Member

    Definitely helpful feedback as I can adjust the wording about map adjustments to reflect that what I perceived as mistakes were just historic references.

    Minting a 'final' (maybe) version now.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  27. bakky
    Member

    Edinburgh roads: Controversial traffic measures recommended for removal after wording blunder

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-roads-controversial-traffic-measures-recommended-for-removal-after-wording-blunder-8501728

    Posted 1 week ago #
  28. Morningsider
    Member

    @pringlis - funny, I was wondering what happened to that. Filtering the Morningside Road end of Canaan Lane could help mitigate some of the impact of removing the Braid Estate filters, as it would remove any through traffic from the immediate area.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  29. bakky
    Member

    Final version:

    PDF for download:
    https://edi.bike/files/2026/05-G2M-Map-Update/G2M-Map-Update-2026.pdf

    3000px wide PNG export:
    https://edi.bike/files/2026/05-G2M-Map-Update/G2M-Map-Update-2026.png

    (Please use for download and don't hotlink from elsewhere)

    Posted 1 week ago #
  30. pringlis
    Member

    I'm actually second guessing myself now - maybe the flat construction was later and at the time it was because of the school construction that it was closed, or partially closed. I'll try and go through my emails tonight, painful memories. It may well be that it was a mistake and they intended to filter it but couldn't as the school construction was ongoing.

    Posted 1 week ago #

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