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Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route (Inc Braid Road/Estate)

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  1. ejstubbs
    Member

    Mr Gibson argued that with the filters in place, drivers became frustrated at not being able to take the most direct route and tended to speed up and slow down at the various turns and junctions as they drove round three sides of a square. Removing the filters would remove that frustration and lead to lower overall speeds, he claimed.

    What utter BS. The least-filtered 'route' in the area is Midmar Avenue/Midmar Drive/Hermitage Drive/Braid Road, which is a 20mph limit all the way - but you'd never know it from the way some drivers treat it. (Actually the Braid Road bit is probably the worst for speeding, but Hermitage Drive comes a close second, and would likely be just as bad if there weren't so many cars parked along it creating chicanes.)

    Speaking as someone who lives in a reasonbaly adjacent 20mph zone with no modal filters, I can assure Mr Gibson that their absence does not appear to induce a kind of zen-like calm in most drivers. Far too many appear to regard the limit as purely advisory - and a good proportion of those like to "take the racing line" when turning right at junctions i.e. they cut egregiously close to the kerb on their off side, which is unnecessarily risky given that their over-rapid approach to the junction is unlikely to have given them sufficient time properly to observe any traffic which might be approaching along the road they're turning in to.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    High drama at TEC

    5 min adjournment to ‘work out how to proceed’

    https://edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/1100027

    Posted 1 month ago #
  3. bakky
    Member

    Spineless equivocations from Labour, Leb Dims and Tories, voting down SNP and Greens 6-5 to remove the filters and monitor for 12 months.

    So we fight on.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  4. pringlis
    Member

    Disappointing, especially as the parent council reps did such a good job. One positive is that we now have a working group across all the parent councils and we'll be back again in force when this comes back to committee. I believe that'll be in 6 months, not 12 now, as LibDem amendment was accepted.

    I think it's unlikely now that the filters will be removed before the school holidays, so there will be a period of bedding in before schools start back in which it will become apparent what the new traffic levels are.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

    I think parent councils should consider threatening legal action

    Well it’s worked so for smaller interest groups…

    Posted 1 month ago #
  6. Morningsider
    Member

    While I thought this was the most probable outcome (see previous posts) it still absolutely sickens me. Also, I simply do not believe administration councillors voted to remove the filters as they were worried about some hypothetical legal action about the use of TTROs. That is the smallest, most pathetic fig-leaf of an excuse. They simply agreed with the objectors. The Tories went as far as to paint the evidence from parents worried for the safety of hundreds of kids as equivalent with that of the dozen of so households living in multi-million pound homes on Midmar Drive, whining that traffic should use any street but their own.

    Grrr.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  7. bakky
    Member

    I have never had to edit myself repeatedly quite as often as I have to still end up with a TEC round-up as disrespectful as this one is. It's like a ruddy exorcism.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  8. bakky
    Member

    No, it's more iterative than an exorcism. It's like being Bart Simpson doing lines on the chalkboard at the start of every episode. "I will not believe the policies that the CEC administration tells me it backs until they've built me proof"

    Posted 1 month ago #
  9. bakky
    Member

  10. pringlis
    Member

    You have the patience of a saint, bakky.

    Nearly got pulled into replying on Keep Morningside Moving again after the latest nonsense from Mr Bailey. I think I'm going to take a break from the discourse for a while. It seems like the current measures may be in place for a few months yet so it doesn't seem like there's much point engaging with anything.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  11. bakky
    Member

    Lines for Pringlis! Lines for everyone!

    (Pleasure to meet Mrs. Pringlis on Friday too, in a very Edinburgh 'randomly strike up parking cargo bike conversation and of course you already know them somehow' moment. We set the world to rights for a bit, great chat)

    Posted 1 month ago #
  12. neddie
    Member

    I wonder what's happened to pringlis' post from 53 minutes ago...?

    Posted 1 month ago #
  13. pringlis
    Member

    Hmm, eaten by the forum gremlins again. Not the first time it's happened.

    I was just noting that I've blocked KMM for now, and reporting to bakky that my wife was also delighted to meet him and have a chance for a rant.

    Posted 1 month ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    “Hmm, eaten by the forum gremlins again“

    Seems this is the evaporation gremlin not the send it to spam one….

    Posted 1 month ago #
  15. cb
    Member

    Why have a council team spent a happy day repainting the double yellows on the Hermitage Gardens / Cluny drive junction (not just next to the pavements but next to the modal filter too)?

    I mean I'm all for it, but...

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    Provocative act??

    Know something everyone else doesn’t?

    It’s nice that it got on someone’s list of ‘periodic maintenance’, but i assume the existing lines hadn’t worn/washed away?

    I know there are many lines elsewhere that have completely disappeared

    ThisIsEdinburgh(Council)

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  17. pringlis
    Member

    There was some recent drainage work at that junction to address some flooding issues. I guess part of that contract was to repaint the double yellow lines, and noone's thought to tell them maybe not to bother. That said, I expect it'll be weeks/months until the filter is actually removed so no harm really.

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    Thanks for explanation

    CEC not willing/able to say/estimate when contract to do removals will be in place…

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  19. MediumDave
    Member

    No doubt the mustard-cord wearers of the Braid Estate will be shoving the barriers out of the way pronto

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  20. pringlis
    Member

    Removals is the easy bit, all the signage and road markings need redone as there are Give Way markings and signs which won't make sense when the filters are removed.

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  21. cb
    Member

    Too few Give Way signs sadly.

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

    Related

    South Morningside Primary School, which has over 500 pupils, was the only Scottish entry recognised.

    Judges commended the school’s child-led and creative approach to learning, with the school offering outdoor learning to every pupil, a range of sports programmes, interventions and extra-curricular activities.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-primary-school-crowned-primary-school-of-the-year-in-uk-wide-awards-8754232

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  23. bakky
    Member

    No timescales yet due to the ‘publicity campaign’ required to tell everyone they’re about to make the roads less safe - as well as contractor required for line works and removal.

    Cluny Drive as I understand it will go back to having standard side road give ways onto Braid Ave, and same onto Hermitage Gdns; but I believe the priority ‘curves’ from Corennie Dr onto Braid Ave etc will remain as the side road give ways/ quiet route having priority.

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  24. cb
    Member

    That's probably good regarding the 'curves' although the signage really needs to be better.
    Drivers coming down Hermitage Gardens *never* indicate if turning 'left' to continue down Hermitage Gardens.

    To be honest, from a car, some of these junction priorities are not at all clear until you're nearly on them. It does help if you stick to the speed limit mind you...

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Deputation from South Morningside Parent Council for Agenda Item 8.8 - Parking Enforcement Around Schools By Councillor Ross

    South Morningside Parent Council welcomes this motion and particularly supports the proposals to investigate enhanced parking enforcement around schools.

    Despite the considerable efforts of schools, parent councils, and the wider community to encourage safe and considerate travel behaviour, unsafe parking around the school gates remain common. Vehicles stopping on yellow lines, bus lanes, near or on crossings and at junctions reduce visibility and create risks for children walking, wheeling and cycling to school. While education on better parking behaviour is important, experience shows that this is not always sufficient on its own to change behaviour - enforcement is necessary to stop repeat offending.

    We therefore support the Council exploring how additional resources can be directed towards targeted enforcement around schools.

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/b28242/Deputations%2025th-Jun-2026%2010.00%20City%20of%20Edinburgh%20Council.pdf?T=9

    (P7)

    Posted 4 weeks ago #
  26. neddie
    Member

    It isn't only outside schools - driving behaviour is at an all time low. Mostly due to lack of enforcement, and lack of effective penalties.

    Penalties should include points on the licence, multipliers for repeat offenders, and fines linked to income.

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  27. pringlis
    Member

    I wrote that deputation for Councillor Ross as I agree with him on this, but when he asked if we'd support I did have a bit of a go at him for his colleagues not supporting us at TEC last week on the Quiet Route...

    Posted 3 weeks ago #
  28. neddie
    Member

    Nice one!

    Posted 3 weeks ago #

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