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IT’S TRUE!
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The Lib Dems are like ptarmigans, retreating higher up their mountain as the climate warms. Eventually the summit will be too warm for them and they will vanish.
You, @algo, are very fair and generous to these wretched hypocrites and I salute your humanity.
From letter -
“local residents know their area best”
Even if true, so?
As I have said before (most recently about East Craigs) CEC is not always great at doing things - process and results (and having too many consultants and not enough staff etc.) BUT having the money and authority to TRY things is a fabulous opportunity that anyone wanting ‘fewer cars and more walking/cycling’ SHOULD welcome.
Democracy is not about giving local residents what they (think/say they) want.
Nor is it actually about implementing ‘the will of the people’ (however that is measured).
Perhaps more local residents are against these proposals (perhaps not!) but politicians calling for more consultation are, at best, disingenuous.
@algo - if the Lib Dems were really acting in a principled way then I doubt they would continually refer to a "SNP/Labour administration" in their communications.
To those calling for more consultation:
A practical trial of the Quiet Route is a form of consultation. And it is a more accessible way of consulting, because everyone can see how it works.
We've already had clear examples of what happens when democratic processes (i.e. endless consultations) are used against progressive movements e.g the Edward Coulston statue getting pulled down.
People had tried for years to get a plaque in place and had trusted the system. Democracy mustn't be used to prevent progress - that is an abuse of democracy.
Consultation can be used as an abuse of democracy - that is what some councillors, MSPs, MPs are doing. And they need to be called-out on that and made to feel uncomfortable.
It is important for councillors to see that society needs and wants democratic processes to improve the city, nobody wants people to be so frustrated with the system that direct action is seen as the only alternative. For moderate parties, it should be a no-brainer that a trial is a moderate approach to progress.
The statue pulling and XR protests are all due to frustration with the democratic process.
And here's the rub:
Those calling for "more consultation" can never be satisfied. They will always claim that such-and-such "wasn't consulted", or, "nobody got in touch with me directly to ask my opinion", until every last human on the planet has been consulted.
This is a form of individualistic, neo-liberal behaviour, where an individual's opinion matters more than the collective good.
In that regard, parties calling for more consultation are the ones presenting themselves as the neo-liberal extremists...
I refer the House back to my earlier comments that the ballot box is a consultation the politicians do not have the guts for
This is being brought to committee on Thursday but has been watered down a bit. They've removed all the modal filters south of Cluny Gardens, but only because they're planning on keeping Braid Road closed.
Appendix 2E on page 24/25 at https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s28763/7.6%20-%20Spaces%20for%20People%20Update%20_Final.pdf has more details.
Would be good if people could write to their ward councillors and ask them to give their respective party's councillor on the Transport Environment Ctte a prod to vote in favour...
Revised map: 
Nice.
Interesting about the exact location of the closures at the north end. I sort of imagined a nice totally closed section between Warrender Park Road and Bruntsfield Crescent but it seems like that section kept open. Is there some sort of access/parking concern?
The main (only?) vehicular entrance to the primary school is there, so access probably is an issue.
I hope they include a turning circle somewhere near Bruntsfield Cres. for traffic coming up Warrender Park Rd. I wouldn't like to see people doing 3-point turns outside the school gate
> The main (only?) vehicular entrance to the primary school is there, so access probably is an issue.
Ah - it would be maybe nice to figure out a compromise where that section is mostly closed off with a small section of road for access, but I guess that's something to grapple with if/when the scheme is made permanent.
Lovely support from Melanie Main and Lesley Macinnes - Neil Ross acknowledging my meeting with him and the info I gave him on LTNs and the stats from Waltham Forrest. He seems to support some of the Modal Filters, which is a definite shift from his previous opinion.
What, alas, he hasn't accepted is that temporary traffic measures such as this are a form of consultation and still wants a more formal consultation. He did say it should short online though so maybe he's softened a bit.
Mandy Watt teaming up with Daniel Johnson in a quick masterclass in saying quite a lot of words without really saying anything of substance and trying desperately not to offend anyone and lose voters (from my point of view - that's possibly unfair).
Oh @algo our representatives do not deserve your generosity of spirit. Well done chief, and thanks. Baby steps but we will get there.
“our representatives do not deserve your generosity of spirit. Well done chief, and thanks“
+1
There was a crash on Whitehouse Loan on Saturday, right outside the Primary School gate
Luckily, only a bollard copped it & not a child. We shouldn’t need to rely on luck though...
https://twitter.com/blackfordsafer1/status/1332987552698130432?s=21
A good article on Greenbank Meadows QR in the Edinburgh Reporter.
The council "would like" the QR to be implemented *before* Braid Rd is reopened.
Details of updated plans here. Implementation starts next week. Have to admit to feeling a little bit disappointed at the lack of real change at the southern end especially given the Braid Road reopening news.
I'm rather more than a little bit disappointed. AIUI they took out the modal filters south of Cluny Gardens because of the Braid Road closure. Now that it's not going to be closed for much longer they surely have to put them back? Otherwise that part of the route will not be "quiet".
Does anyone know whether there is any intention to monitor traffic levels on Comiston Road before & after Braid Road is reopened?
I have to say that Lothian Buses' complaints about delays seem pretty insubstantial given that, from the accounts I've heard, they're carrying little more than fresh air up and down there at the moment.
The most significant cause of 'delays' southbound seems to be motor traffic turning in and out of Greenbank Drive.
Starting work in this tomorrow:
We’ll be installing the measures tomorrow (Wednesday, 3 February) and these will initially include traffic management to mark restrictions, to be replaced by planters. Once changes are in place we’ll continue to monitor them and then make adjustments as necessary.
Without Braid Road, the south end of this looks a lot like doing nothing? Hopefully I'm missing some local context which makes it ok.
@Rob.
You're not missing anything.
The Braid Rd closure is fundemental to the southern end of the scheme. And on top of that, further filters are required at the southern end to stop rat-running along Cluny Dr and Comiston Pl (the new rat-run to cut off the lights at Morningside clock)
Exactly. Without the Braid Road closure it's just going to be what, at best, a couple of signposts indicating the route but no actual infrastructure. At the very least they need to restore the filters that were in the original plan.
Well u no, it’s ‘experimental’ and ‘can be altered’...
Months to plan, minutes to put in place. All the closures are here, although with cones at the moment, so they’re very much avoidable for the time being (not that a driver would ever break the law).
This article says it's the first "Quiet Route" in Edinburgh - but the horrid Kings Buildings one is supposed to be a QR.
"A local dad has praised Edinburgh's first "quiet route", which is set to impact thousands of children and families on their school run.
Edinburgh Council announced the new route, between Greenbank and the Meadows, this week.
It will see Canaan Lane, north of the Astley Ainslie hospital access, and Whitehouse Loan closed to traffic as part of the Spaces for People project and is set to benefit pupils from South Morningside Primary School, St Peter’s RC Primary School, James Gillespie’s Primary and High Schools, Bruntsfield Primary School, Boroughmuir High School and Edinburgh Steiner School.
Ewen Maclean's children attend a local school and will be directly impacted by the changes on, what he described as, a "dangerous" and "busy" route."
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-dad-praises-first-quiet-19762266
@Rosie - yep I'm afraid I wasn't aware of the title until it was printed - I was just interviewed on the phone asking for words of support. I have asked them to potentially change that, as well as the point about there being road closures which isn't strictly true as you can still access everywhere by car.
This article says it's the first "Quiet Route" in Edinburgh - but the horrid Kings Buildings one is supposed to be a QR.
I think the council would like to forget the "quality" bike corridor exists. I'm inclined to agree with them.
Could someone help me to update Open Street Maps with the closures?
I've added notes, but the changes to the streets to add "motor traffic = no" look complicated, because I would have to split the road into two sections, one closed, one open.
Thanks.
"QuietRoutes are Edinburgh's walking and cycling routes - perfect for exploring the city."
https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/cycling-walking/explore-quietroutes/1
Most of them are NEPN/canal. QR10 is decent except Leith. QR20 is bad.
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