My Peugeot 406 had a built in sat nav the data was on a very very expensive CD rom by the time I scrapped that car it was sooo out of date it was hilarious at times.
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Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route
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I once drove from Lausanne to Zeebrugge using a road atlas that was so far out of date it didn't have motorways on it. I quite enjoyed it but nearly missed the ferry for obvious reasons.
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A quick history of Satnav.
Pre-Google Maps there were 2 main mapping companies for in car navigation. Tom Tom and Navteq.
Tom Tom is still around and still Tom Tom.
Navteq is more interesting, they were acquired by Nokia and at some point rebranded as HERE maps.
Microsoft bought Nokia and at some point later sold it to a consortium of car makers, Audi, BMW, and Mercedes. Having checked the car maker names, on wikipedia, the consortium has grown to Audi, Bosch, BMW Group, Continental, Intel Capital, MC, Mercedes-Benz, NTT and Pioneer.
All of which is saying that some cars are using TomTom or HERE maps. It feels to me like the car manufactures are trying really hard not to be beholden to google for navigation.
HERE maps do have a feedback report and error at the bottom of this page: https://wego.here.com/?map=55.93506,-3.15301,13,normal&msg=Edinburgh
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It was Navteq built in to the 406. There wasn't a real screen so everything was read out with a tiny lcd trying to reinforce what it said.
I do not miss that.
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The Waze map currently mentions nothing of the Quiet Route closures...
Still haven't been for my "drive" yet to allow editing
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On the browser just now Google Maps happily plotted a driving route all the way along Canaan Lane northbound (which AFAIAA has been a no-no for years) to get from Cluny Gardens to the Whitehouse Loan/Warrender Park Road junction but via Pitsligo Road and Strathearn Place because it thinks the southern half of Whitehouse Loan is closed (which of course it is):
Looks like it's still a bit of a "wok* in progress".
The lights at the Whitehouse Loan/Strathearn Place crossroads did not seem to respond to my presence when I tried to go through northbound on my bike earlier today so I had to cross carefully pretending to be a pedestrian.
* Not picked up by spell checker for obvious reasons, and I quite like it.
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According to wikipedia Garmin were a few years (98 vs 01) ahead of TomTom in handheld navigator business.
It's been so long since I have seen it in action that I forgot our Garmin must have some sort of data-link because it occasionally warns us about traffic. I have no idea how it works and very little inclination to find out.
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@ejstubbs Given that it's taken you on the one way southbound section at Strathearn Pl, I think you might have selected Whitehouse Loan->Cluny Drive (on Google Maps the first place you click is your destination rather than origin)
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Good point, I'm always tripping over that one (it might help if the route drawn in the map had arrows at intervals along it to indicate the direction of the route). If I swap the start end end points it does direct me down Kilgraston Road, although it does also send me north along Whitehouse Loan from Strathearn Place:
which is wrong because Whitehouse Loan is closed north of Bruntsfield Crescent except for traffic leaving Gillespie's (which has to turn left):
In case you're wondering, the SP Energy Networks van had driven past the "road closed" signs and slalomed through the cones to end up where he did. I have a tiny amount of sympathy because there are two "keep right" signs at the point where the northbound lane is coned off:
Why they are there I do not know: AFAICS motor vehicles should only be being driven southbound along that bit. I think they should be "no entry" signs. So it is confusing IMO.
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https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/02/spaces-for-people-some-comment-on-the-new-quiet-route/
of the 80+ residents living near Whitehouse Loan, 99% of whom oppose the scheme to close the road all day instead of just at school hours.
The “solution” proposed by these concerned residents - only closing Whitehouse Loan at the school - completely misses the point that people need safe *routes*, not just a few hundred yards at the end of the journey.
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Thanks Stickman. All of what this person says is basically an outright lie. I saw the response from the Primary School head explaining why times closures aren't possible.
It's so exhausting dealing with this level of selfishness and blatant misinformation. 99% of the 81 people who responded to his petition asking "Do you want Whitehouse Loan closed to traffic" on capitals with exclamation marks nodded their heads. Hardly representative of the truth.
I'd better not write any more about what I think.
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“I'd better not write any more about what I think.“
Oh go on...
(Rule 1)
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Well, when I was out for a stroll yesterday about a dozen folk were walking on the carriageway of the effectively car free section of Canaan Lane between Newbattle Terrace and the entrance to the Astley Ainsley. I was probably there for all of two minutes - safe social distancing in action.
Also, how do you get 99% of 80+ people? (I'm assuming its less than 90 people, or he would have said 90+ people).
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@morningsider one of the people in the 80+ Has a partial or ambivalent view?
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He seems to tick pretty much all of the boxes on the I support active travel but not if it means I can't drive sheet.
He claims to "support the concept" while complaining about it not benefiting local drivers. Other than the fact that it will benefit local drivers (although perhaps only while they aren't actively partaking in fuel burning) he clearly has limited understanding of what the concept he is supporting is.
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@Morningsider - all but 1 of any number between 80 and 89 is 99% when rounded to the nearest percent.
67 is the magic number for a survey to be able to claim 99% agreement.
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@Frenchy - thanks.
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Just for fun, I looked up the population in surrounding areas likely to benefit from/be affected by the proposals.
Bruntsfield - 5,993
Marchmont West - 4,625
Merchiston and Greenhil - 5,205
Morningside - 6,001
The Grange - 5.929
Marchmont East and Sciennes - 4,844Total - 32,597 (I think, feel free to check the figures)
The survey only got 81 responses. Hardly representative of what locals think. At all.
It's a handful of tenements' worth of folk if you're lucky.Posted 3 years ago # -
That's an interesting way to look at things. So for the Lanark Road scheme, there were approx 300 objections but the population of the most immediately effected wards is over 100,000 people (from here)...
Colinton / Fairmilehead 24,800
Fountainbridge / Craiglockhart 23,680
Pentland Hills 33,610
Sighthill / Gorgie 32,140Posted 3 years ago # -
Oh go on...
(Rule 1)
Sadly inconsistent preconditions
Posted 3 years ago # -
80/81 is the one number that can give 99 per cent
If I was surveying and this was the response I might be more interested in the 1/81 to see what they had to say for themselves
Posted 3 years ago # -
sheesh..
you have to understand that the top brass in this forum all now reside in mansions in fife
we're snorting coke with nubile concubines while you're still moaning about potholes in liberton
you need to up your game
Posted 3 years ago # -
@gembo, 1/81 as in 7:84?
@bax, the 1%?
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@bax San Absolutely everyone is doing cocaine
@crowriver, I imagine the purity of the cheap cocaine currently on offer is as you say the 1per cent brand
Don’t take drugs and drive err especially if you have £200k worth of hashish in your Merc and BMW and only make it as far as Lockerbie. These fellows will presumably be able to argue personal consumption.
Posted 3 years ago # -
you're still moaning about potholes in Liberton
It's a Half Man Half Biscuit reference for sure but must be the most recent stuff?
Brexit would never have happened without cocaine.
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Spotted Ronnie on Pedal on Parliament facebook getting row off another member of that Pop page for using phrase Cocaine Driving.
That is what is out there Cocaine Driving. See request from recent bad driver to @Neddie to have a bath....
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For the uninitiated, what's the connection between gangsters, cocaine and baths?
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Canaan Lane thread
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Do you have a link?
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THIS one
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=3748&page=342#post-345824
(Not on thread I’d imagined)
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