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  1. chdot
    Admin

    The next Scottish Parliament election is scheduled to be held on 6 May 2021

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Scottish_Parliament_election

    Following Boris’ curious rant about Devolution followed by various suggestions of ‘that’s not what meant’, it’s now clear that the next SP will be a subject of much discussion (not just on CCE).

    The Guardian view on Boris Johnson’s devolution: an England-first policy

    CCE has managed to discuss ‘issues’ - IndyRef, Brexit. CV etc - robustly and without party political posing. I’m sure this will be the same.

    This election is about much more than getting a ‘mandate for IndyRef2’ or even whether the SNP is ‘a safer pair of hands’ than all the other parties’.

    Increasingly the idea that Independence is possibly better than the status quo/prospect of more control from Westminster seems to be spreading through Scotland. (And, to a lesser degree, some regions in England!)

    The idea that the SNP ‘only cares about breaking up the UK’ is not exactly true. It has also run various aspects of the country - whether it has the vision/policies/competence or is ‘restrained by Westminster’ will continue to be argued without much prospect of a conclusion.

    The other pro-Indy party - the Greens - probably has better policies for the Climate Crisis (well they should have), but the voters will always have reasons to put their votes elsewhere.

    It will be interesting to see if the ‘2nd vote Green’ strategy re-emerges.

    The other parties have internal problems - including how to deal with Devo/HomeRule/Federalism. But they are united in not being the SNP. A selling point with a lot of voters.

    In the early days of the SP there were LOTS of parties - which was the deliberate intention of the voting system. It was believed that no party would get an overall majority and that co-operation and compromises would be necessary.

    We continue to live in interesting times.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  2. jdanielp
    Member

    The Greens 'probably' have better policies on most things if only more people would make the effort to both look at and take the policies seriously... (says a Green Activist)

    Posted 8 months ago #
  3. minus six
    Member

    party politics is a careerist scam, so i'm out

    that said i will vote green on the day, as usual

    Posted 8 months ago #
  4. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "This election is about much more than getting a ‘mandate for IndyRef2’ or even whether the SNP is ‘a safer pair of hands’ than all the other parties’."

    I guess the issue is that you can't vote for the latter without seemingly giving consent for the former.

    Perhaps if the propositions were seperated - maybe a ref on whether we want Indyref (I know, but some of the nationalists seem to favour this as an approach too in a stick it up WM sort of way).

    Posted 8 months ago #
  5. jonty
    Member

    The idea of an advisory 'indyrefref' crossed my mind, but I imagine the SNP don't want to do it for a few reasons:

    - it suits them to link their electoral success even more tightly with an increasingly popular cause
    - likewise, a parliamentary majority and implicit mandate seem quite likely, so why jeopardise it by pinning the mandate on a different vote
    - while it seems like a mandate from a referendum would be truly unanswerable, a referendum would be easier to boycott (Catalonia-style), making the result much easier for Boris to dismiss and diluting the rhetorical force of victory in Parliament
    - 'not ANOTHER vote' is a lazy, but easy, talking point

    Posted 8 months ago #
  6. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    This election is going to be very weird. It looks likely to me that Ms Sturgeon will have to resign before it takes place as a result of what is being uncovered in the inquiry into the attempt to jail Mr Salmond. Who will succeed her as party leader and who as first minister? What effect on the popular vote?

    The Greens have the best climate policies but they have some others that I find quite offensive. But I am an Andy Wightman fanboy and Alison Johnstone seems also to be good value.

    The other parties in the parliament are all pro-Brexit and I invite them to take a running jump at themselves.

    It is becoming increasingly difficult to vote for anybody.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    @Iwrats, shame about wee Nicky, she was only trying to jail Alex - who lets face it, could do with the jail

    Posted 8 months ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Be that as it may the jury decided otherwise after a team of twenty detectives spent a year assembling their best shot.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    “Until now, whatever our disagreements, there has been a very broad consensus about devolution,” the Labour leader asked. “So why did the prime minister tell his MPs this week that Scottish devolution is, in his words, a disaster?”

    Johnson did not deny saying it, but avoided the question, arguing that “what has unquestionably been a disaster” had been the way the SNP had, he said, used devolution to push for a breakup of UK.

    Starmer responded: “The single biggest threat to the future of the United Kingdom is the prime minister, every time he opens his mouth on this.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/18/boris-johnson-is-single-biggest-threat-to-future-of-uk-says-keir-starmer

    And that’s just the key Unionist parties jostling for attention.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  10. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Mr Starmer and Mr Johnston both voted to activate Article 50 of the TFEU, thus erasing our European citizenship.

    If they want to know who's demolishing the UK of GB&NI they need only look in a mirror.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  11. Stickman
    Member

    Cllr Webber selected as Tory candidate for Edinburgh west.

    No chance of winning, but I may go and ask her some questions at a hustings.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/tories-choose-city-councillor-susan-webber-fight-edinburgh-western-2021-holyrood-elections-3039958

    Posted 8 months ago #
  12. crowriver
    Member

    As a former Green Party member, it's fair to say my disagreements with one or two policy commitments became irreconcilable. None of them related to climate change, environment or transport, it must be said.

    I will be continuing to support the Greens at the ballot box. In the past, I have also voted Labour and SNP in a variety of elections, however I'm in the lucky position of being able to cast both votes for the Greens this time, as Andy Wightman is the candidate for my constituency.

    I have never, and will never, vote Tory. Even if they make it illegal to vote for anyone else.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  13. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    At least Ms Webber has a sense of humour. She'll need it like.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    The former prime minister this week dismissed calls for a second independence referendum, saying the nation needs “time to heal” after the pandemic, and called for a new plan to decentralise powers away from Westminster to local communities.

    https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/politics/scottish-politics/1739263/will-gordon-browns-devolution-plan-prevent-indyref2/amp/

    Posted 8 months ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    decentralise powers away from Westminster to local communities.

    Perhaps ‘decentralise powers away from Holyrood to local communities’ too?!

    Posted 8 months ago #
  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Gordon Brown doesn't even have a sense of humour. Or shame apparently.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    He has a bit of a sense of humour as he supports Raith Rovers (sits next to Val McDermid in the Val McDermid Stand)

    Posted 8 months ago #
  18. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Oh well that's OK. She's sound.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  19. acsimpson
    Member

    So the tories are celebrating having a female candidate standing in Edinburgh Western.

    A female candidate who lives in Edinburgh Pentland (constituency) and is a councillor in Edinburgh Pentland (ward). Her ward, as far as I can tell, stops at the boundary of Edinburgh Western. They stand no chance in Edinburgh Western but are merely outsiders in Pentland.

    But they feel the need to celebrate putting their female candidate forward where she doesn't live and will loose.

    Whoever said she has a sense of humour must be right.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  20. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    All this female candidate stuff is guff. I do not care about candidates' chromosomes or genitals. I want good stuff done by whoever is best placed to do it.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  21. Frenchy
    Member

    In the 2016 election, the Conservatives stood 2 female and 7 male candidates in Lothian constituencies.

    Does that suggest to you that their selection processes are actually picking "whoever is best placed to do it"?

    Posted 8 months ago #
  22. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The Conservatives aim to do two things:

    1) Prevent others taking positions of power
    2) Make things worse

    They are ruthless and will have deployed the people they think would succeed in this mission.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  23. Frenchy
    Member

    If you think men are inherently better at those things, then you should definitely support improving female representation in Parliament.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  24. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I don't think that. What a curious idea.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  25. Frenchy
    Member

    • "Men are not inherently better at achieving the aims of the party"
    • "The party's processes select the best candidates to achieve their aims"
    • "A disproportionate proportion of selected candidates are men"

    Pick two.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  26. Morningsider
    Member

    @Frenchy - yes, but what if one of the unspoken aims of the party hierarchy is to further the political careers of their chums, who are mainly men. Then the number of men chosen would not be "disproportionate".

    Posted 8 months ago #
  27. Frenchy
    Member

    @Morningsider - then perhaps "Men are not inherently better at achieving the aims of the party" is untrue.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  28. Rosie
    Member

    @IWRATS - does the Sturgeon/Salmond thing have that much traction? I have to say it's a who said what to whom when thing which I haven't been following closely.

    Wightman/Johnstone are both good organic eggs. Shame they've hitched Greenness to the SNP and nationalist cause, so I won't vote for them.

    Posted 8 months ago #
  29. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Rosie

    People are doing their best to make nothing of it because Ms Sturgeon is seen as a force for stability in the UK of GB&NI but when her party members find out what she and her chief of staff and chief executive did she will find her coat peg becoming shoogly.

    I'm intrigued to know which political parties you consider not to be 'nationalist'?

    Posted 8 months ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Frenchy

    For all I know the Conservatives pick their candidates by the strength of their halitosis. I simply have no interest in their internal processes.

    Posted 8 months ago #

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