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News on LTNs? (Leith/Corstorphine/East Craigs Connections/Oxford)

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  1. CycleAlex
    Member

    Has anyone heard what the latest is with the various LTNs? They all mentioned in the initial consultation that the concept designs would be released in May and refined after consultation for TEC on 17/06.

    Considering there's now <2 weeks for all that to happen, I presume it's going to need to go to the next TEC. Given that's in September I don't have high hopes of anything appearing in 2021...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    ‘Twitter says’ ‘residents defeated ECraigs one having paid for expensive legal advice’.

    This may or may not accord with any sort of ‘reality’.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    Intrigued to see that @leithLTN is run by living streets edinburgh?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. SRD
    Moderator

    I noted this tweet a few days ago:

    https://twitter.com/cllrchasbooth/status/1397271001944178690?s=21

    (I had missed the existence of a proposed Leith LTN)

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. CycleAlex
    Member

    From the Leith Connections PM:

    Yes, there has unfortunately been a slight delay and we were unable to publish proposals last week as planned. This will hopefully be resolved this week with proposals launched shortly and new timeline confirmed.

    There will be leaflets going through every property in the area as well as usual social media promotion. You can also sign up for the project mailing list on the Consultation Hub to be kept informed.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

  7. CycleAlex
    Member

    Consultation on Leith/Corstorphine LTN options begins Friday. East Craigs scrapped.

    A second phase of community engagement on plans to introduce Low Traffic Neighbourhoods (LTNs) in two areas of Edinburgh will begin on Friday (4 June).

    Between 8 February and 5 March, we sought the views of residents in Corstorphine, Leith and East Craigs on their travel choices and use of their community spaces for movement and relaxation to help us develop proposals for each area in partnership with the local communities themselves. In total we received around 2200 responses across the three communities.

    After the first phase of engagement, there was a clear appetite within Leith and Corstorphine to move forward with more detailed dialogue.

    For East Craigs we’ll be bringing an additional report on plans for the area to the next Transport and Environment Committee in recognition of the majority of respondents reporting, during our initial engagement in February/March, that traffic levels were not significant on most residential streets. However, some residents did indicate that there are issues with high traffic volumes on selected streets. We’ll therefore propose to have further discussion on targeted traffic reduction with the East Craigs community at a later date, with a view to bringing proposals back to a future meeting of Transport and Environment Committee.

    In Leith and Corstorphine we’re now looking for feedback on initial recommendations to create safer, more comfortable environments for walking, cycling and wheeling, as well as for spending time in local streets and outdoor spaces. These have been informed by the opinions and ideas shared during the first phase of engagement, as well as traffic data which indicates where there are issues around intrusive traffic.

    As part of this second phase of engagement we will be holding co-design-type workshops with community representatives so that the design team can closely explore details in greater depth with the community.

    Each of the schemes will be refined following the current period of engagement and brought back to Transport and Environment Committee. If approved, they would be then be introduced on a trial basis via an Experimental Traffic Regulation Order (ETRO) towards the end of 2021.

    For Corstorphine, two options have been proposed to improve safety on the High Street, as well as various interventions elsewhere in the area to restrict through traffic, particularly around schools.

    The Leith Connections project designs consist of two elements – a high-quality segregated cycle route between the Foot of the Walk and Ocean Terminal, which will be introduced on a permanent basis, and an experimental LTN in the area between Salamander Street, Commercial Street, North and Great Junction Street, Duke Street and the roads around Leith Links. The LTN designs include restrictions to through traffic and ‘parklets’ to encourage more people to walk, cycle and spend time.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Rob
    Member

    "the majority of respondents reporting, during our initial engagement in February/March, that traffic levels were not significant on most residential streets"

    That seems really odd, given most of the streets in the area either have no or only very local through traffic.

    I really hope this was weighted towards feedback from residents of the streets identified as having an issue. "My street doesn't have a traffic problem" and "the streets I drive through don't have a traffic problem" are very different statements.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    Is that online or just via email?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  10. neddie
    Member

    that traffic levels were not significant on most residential streets

    This is a classic tactic from the antis - to claim that streets were never busy in the first place and therefore don't need filters.

    Yet if the streets aren't busy, then why would filters cause any concerns to motor traffic? Shroedinger's streets - simultaneously too quiet and too busy!

    It's a completely bogus argument.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  11. acsimpson
    Member

    @Rob, you are absolutely right. And of course the 80%ish (my estimate) of streets which are already cul-de-sacs or similar will not be the ones which are affected when Maybury/Craigs Road junction starts allowing full access to that end of Craigs Road. I still think the biggest mistake is branding it as East Craigs when it is North Gyle who will get the biggest benefit.

    The sad truth of the matter is that it has shown that those with enough money to throw a lawyer at the council can essentially get their own way. If Cole-Hamilton and his chums think that is democracy then he is worse than I thought.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  12. Rob
    Member

    My hope is this part:

    "However, some residents did indicate that there are issues with high traffic volumes on selected streets. We’ll therefore propose to have further discussion on targeted traffic reduction with the East Craigs community at a later date, with a view to bringing proposals back to a future meeting of Transport and Environment Committee."

    Means they've realised that mistake and will come back with a "North Gyle Traffic Reduction" plan which filters the problem streets without the broader implications of a bus gate on Craigs Road.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    @acsimpson, "The sad truth of the matter is that it has shown that those with enough money to throw a lawyer at the council can essentially get their own way."

    Indeed. Many historical injustices in land ownership, planning and allocation of public space are largely due to this societal imbalance.

    For more details, see 'The Poor Had No Lawyers - Who Owns Scotland And How They Got It' by Andy Wightman, 2015.

    Available here: https://birlinn.co.uk/product/the-poor-had-no-lawyers/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

  15. CycleAlex
    Member

    Consultations are live: https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/low-traffic-neighbourhoods/

    Leith:
    9 modal filters
    Bus gate on the Shore
    No westbound access from Links Gardens to Links Place

    Corstorphine:
    2 bus gates, including Corstorphine High Street (option without)
    2 modal filters
    2 school streets

    Implementation due Nov-Dec 2021.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    Plans for a low traffic neighbourhood in Corstorphine aim to ‘break down barriers’ and provide ‘safer streets for people to walk, cycle, wheel and spend time in’.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/corstorphine-traffic-plan-to-make-streets-safer-for-all-users-unveiled-by-edinburgh-council-3266643

    Posted 1 year ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    I can’t even begin to imagine reading the comments on that one.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  18. Stickman
    Member

    The leader of the East Craigs Free State has already started moaning about it and blaming Sustrans.

    Reminder: he doesn’t live in the area covered by this proposal so should, by his own standards, be staying out of it.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    @stickman why would he judge himself by his own standards? He is entitled to change his standards to suit himself

    Posted 1 year ago #
  20. urchaidh
    Member

  21. gembo
    Member

    Great rally

    Christopher sad person

    Posted 1 year ago #
  22. CycleAlex
    Member

    Leith Links Community Council are DISGUSTED that the survey is located after the project information. How dare CEC do that.

    "give your views uninfluenced by all the preamble"

    http://www.leithlinkscc.org.uk/low-traffic-neighbourhood-hunt-for-the-buried-survey/

    Posted 1 year ago #
  23. wingpig
    Member

    "Please respond by 4rth July"

    Given the extent to which most previous consultations contain questions like "what is your opinion of [specific arrangement, structure or component thereof]?" It seems quite fair to supply the ideas on which comments and opinions are sought.

    Wonder who runs the LPCC account and if they have any detectable opinions under their own name on the Facebook?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    “Wonder who runs the LPCC account and if they have any detectable opinions under their own name on the Facebook?”

    Is that code for 'yes, and I know who’?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    AECOM are conducting this survey on behalf of the City of Edinburgh Council, who are delivering this project in partnership with Sustrans.

    The study team will feed back on the results of the survey in due course to the public and stakeholders as this work is taken forward. If you have any queries about the survey, please contact Anna.McRobbie@aecom.com

    For project related queries, please contact miles.wilkinson@edinburgh.gov.uk

    This survey should take around 15 minutes to complete.

    https://wh1.snapsurveys.com/s.asp?k=162192819351

    Posted 1 year ago #
  26. wingpig
    Member

    "Is that code for 'yes, and I know who’?"

    Nup, genuinely don't know. There has been a recent surge in local-anti-SfP stuff on Facebook including suggestions that I might to join a group called "get rid of the spaces for people" or somesuch along with the live-action protests by football people parking on the pedestrian crossing at Links Gardens or moving the barrier. Apart from their involvement with the Seafield Smell campaign I don't know what sort of views the CC generally gold.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  27. gembo
    Member

    I filled in, was fine, does ask, what is your opinion if street closures 1 street closure 2 etc

    I exhorted them to be bo”d and put in planters that couldn’t be moved

    Posted 1 year ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    High Court judgment on Lambeth’s “Low Traffic Neighbourhoods”

    https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1409469384637267972

    Posted 1 year ago #
  29. gembo
    Member

    If this applied in Scotia I would say get it fckn up ye Mr SWEM

    Posted 1 year ago #
  30. CycleAlex
    Member

    Last day! Take a few minutes to fill them in:
    Corstorphine LTN Details - Survey

    Leith LTN Details - Survey

    Posted 1 year ago #

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