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Humza Yousaf has pledged to ensure Scotland is no longer the oil and gas epicentre of Europe – but questions remain over whether his warm words will be backed up with real action.
In his strongest intervention yet on phasing out polluting fossil fuels, Mr Yousaf used his keynote speech at New York Climate Week to insist that Scotland will no longer be the “oil and gas capital of Europe”.
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2030 ban on new petrol and diesel was always something I didn’t believe would happen. 12 years sounds further away. Wont happen in 2035 either. What would we do with all that oil?
"will need to be unpopular"
We need mainstream politicians that will sell difficult messages. Seems to be possible with COVID or wars. And climate change is so obviously happening. There seems to be huge cognitive dissonance in the media and in politics atm.
Grasping desperately for a political lifebelt, Sunak has jumped on the result of the Uxbridge and South Ruislip by-election as offering a way to mobilise opposition to environmental concerns as part of the Tory 'culture wars'. This rather overlooks the fact that, while debates about e.g. gender identity might be argued to be somewhat subjective, climate change is not. It's demonstrably with us now, and worsening, and dismissing it as a "woke conspiracy" or other such nonsense is utter futility.
Never mind acting for the good of the country, or indeed the planet: he's willing to try anything that might just mean that his party has a sliver of chance of staying in power beyond 2024.
Is this really a vote winner? I think the Uxbridge/ULEZ thing has been massively overplayed. Labour came within 500 votes of winning the ex-Prime Minister's seat, a seat they have never won in modern times - even in the 1997 landslide.
Also, ULEZ is a concrete policy that has an immediate financial effect on the drivers of older vehicles. It probably did focus some minds.
Arguing you will not implement some vague "net-zero" policy that was years away will not have the same effect. Also, people can see the climate is changing and most probably do think "something needs to be done" - even those opposed to individual measures probably do worry about where things are heading.
It also puts the Tories at odds with business. Electric cars are now clearly "the future" and I think many people accept that. The few car nuts I know all either have an electric car or are at least considering switching to one when they next get round to replacing their current car.
On a personal note. Just when you think you can't dislike/despise the Tories any more, they somehow manage to do it. I really should know better, after decades of experience. Yet they somehow never fail to disappoint.
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No 10 confirms that Sunak to deliver his speech on anticipated net zero policies U-turn this afternoon
No 10 has now confirmed that Rishi Sunak will deliver a speech on the changes to his net zero policies in Downing Street this afternoon. Unless the reporting has all been 100% wrong, and no one from government has been minded to correct it, it is going to amount to one of the biggest U-turns of his premiership.
Sunak will also take questions from journalists. The speech is due around 4.30pm, although that could change.
Pippa Crerar says there was panic in Downing Street when the story leaked, and Sunak wants to take control of the agenda again.
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Expect considerable kickback on what Rees Mogg just said on R4!
I suppose this was predictable.
It’s about Party not Country!
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Boris Johnson has waded into the row over Rishi Sunak’s plans to U-turn on some of the government’s net zero commitments, warning his successor that he “cannot afford to falter now” or “lose our ambition” for the country.
The former prime minister, who oversaw the introduction of many of the targets during his tenure, said “businesses must have certainty” about the UK’s net zero commitments, as companies reacted with alarm to the potential policy shift.
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Rishi in motherhood and apple pie territory.
‘All going fine really’
@chdot
Expect considerable kickback on what Rees Mogg just said on R4!
Or maybe not, given that most sane people regard him as an unutterable delusionist, and ignore pretty much everything he says.
What did he say, out of interest? (I'm afraid my days of having Radio 4 on almost continuously are long past. I only get In Our Time and From Our Own Correspondent as podcasts these days.)
Not full list (via Twitter)
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‘There is no second hand market for electric cars’ says Rees-Mogg on R4 world at one.
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“I’ve never been as much of a net zero zealot as Boris is.”
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“My concern is my constituents being cold and poor.”
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Downing Street has now put out three news releases relating to the speech. They are:
A press notice summing up what Sunak has announced.
A ‘what it means for you’ explainer
Slides designed to show the UK is progressing towards net zero more quickly than other major economies
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My concern is my constituents being cold and poor.
As for teh no second hand market for ev a quick look on autotrader shows that's nonsense and very early teslas are still holding their charge even over 100k miles. Old leafs are holding value despite the range dropping off for just the batteries.
@steveo: Yup, the first quoted statement is an easily demonstrable lie*, which rather undermines any tiny smidgen of an inclination one might have had to treat anything else he said as anything other than pure <rule 2>dribble.
* Even if he did actually believe it to be true, it's so trivially easy to discover it to be false it can only be regarded as a lie by recklessness.
Our esteemed and learned colleague would do well to speak with Euan McTurk, who speaks and understands EV battery technology like no-one else I've ever met. He's also a former colleague of my former neighbour.
There is a risk however that Euan would tear strips off Mr R-M.
I mean there is a risk a glass of water would tear strips of the haunted pencil.
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Rishi Sunak has been accused of an "unforgivable" U-turn on efforts to tackle the climate crisis after rowing back on the UK Government’s key climate pledges.
The Prime Minister stressed the UK’s 2050 legal net zero target will remain intact, but he confirmed a raft of environmental policies for England and the UK will be watered down or abandoned.
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https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/23803226.rishi-sunak-fire-watering-climate-strategy/
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Rishi Sunak rejects claims his net zero U-turn motivated by party politics after widespread condemnation of policy shift – UK politics live
Prime minister gives interview after delaying ban on selling new petrol and diesel cars amid other major green policy shifts
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So Rishi Sunak tells a direct lie: With PM’s electoral options narrowing, strategists came to conclusion policy could help create dividing line with Labour
Isaac Levido, the strategy guru behind Boris Johnson’s 2019 victory, has spent much of the summer working on the overhaul of Rishi Sunak’s green policies....
Sunak’s pitch over the coming months will be that he is saving “hard-pressed families from unacceptable costs” of green policies, while trying to present Labour as piling them on.
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Sources close to the discussions in No 10 over the past few weeks say this strategy gained traction after the Uxbridge byelection, in which the Tories narrowly held on to the seat.
It's not as if any of the above is anything like a surprise, or that anyone with half a brain wouldn't already have worked it out.
Why do these people actively choose to be so transparently hateful?
@ejstibbs - some of it is actually quite comical though. I particularly like the claim that they have stopped people from having to sort recycling into seven different bins. Something no-one ever seems to have proposed.
I like to think they had focus groups looking at "how many bins are too many?". Were people quite happy with six bins?
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Desperate Rishi Sunak is tearing up green policies with a rant about "short term" decisions - accusing his predecessors of not being honest.
The Prime Minister has come under fire after news that he'd decided to water down commitments leaked last night. Since then there's been talk of Tory MPs submitting letters of no confidence, while former minister Lord Goldsmith demanded an immediate general election.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/rishi-sunak-statement-live-pm-30986331
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Someone should tell the Prime Minister that you cannot “scrap” proposals that do not exist.
There are no legislative proposals to force you to have 7 different recycling bins or ban you eating meat or stop you flying.
Simply Dishonest.
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https://twitter.com/barrygardiner/status/1704536899824529553
Previously
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UK meat tax and frequent-flyer levy proposals briefly published then deleted
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Government ‘nudge unit’ document published alongside net zero strategy before being withdrawn within hours
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Climate Change Committee chief executive says hitting 2030 emissions targets will be 'even harder' after Sunak's U-turn
Chris Stark, the chief executive of the Climate Change Committee, told the Today programme this morning that the policy changes announced yesterday would make it even harder for the government to meet its climate targets for 2030.
Asked about the announcements, Stark said:
“We’re still going over what the prime minister said yesterday in Downing Street, but it’s difficult to escape the idea that we’ve moved backwards from where we were when we did our last assessment of progress.
We do that every single year, and we did that in June with what was the government’s old programme. And in June, what we said to the government was that it didn’t look like we were on track for the government’s targets in 2030. Remember, these are legal goals.
So I worry about what the government announced yesterday, because it looks like those goals will be even harder to hit with this softer package now around climate policy.
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A snapshot from the past…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66875554
Car firms will still be forced to meet strict quotas for selling electric cars despite the ban on sales of new petrol and diesel vehicles being delayed.From January, just over a fifth of vehicles sold must be electric, with the target expected to hit 80% by 2030.
If they fail to hit the target, manufacturers will face heavy fines of up to £15,000 a car.
So looks like pure Poly ticking from the govt. The actual difficult target is still in place and push back on the 2030 that ban never really was. I expect by 2030 few people will be buying ICE cars anyway especially if manufactures have to give deep discounts in the next few years to keep from paying large fines on the rest of their vehicles.
All thats been achieved is playing to the peanut gallery in the press and their readers.
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