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  1. chdot
    Admin

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    Ooops

    Supposed to be this link

    https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1523396198786560001

    Posted 1 year ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    Tweet: https://mobile.twitter.com/FortKinnaird/status/1509887124786528256

    Survey: https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/33W8SQD

    Edit: They've tweeted it publicly, but it may be aimed at folk who work there.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  3. steveo
    Member

    Offt, quite sure I'd not cycle there if cyclists were given a 59% discount on presentation of their mangled bicycle.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  4. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Fort Kinnaird is a motorcentric hellhole of a place.

    Edit: They've tweeted it publicly, but it may be aimed at folk who work there.

    I'd agree, especially given the options in Q6. Interestingly, six of the ten options are on-site infrastructure, one is off-site infrastructure, two are skills training (of which one is basically combat training), and the last is simply knowledge:

    Information regarding quiet/safe routes to and from Fort Kinnaird

    All of these, even the combat training one, overlook the room in which there is a large elephant the size of a huge elephant, namely there being no safe route to FK from the south. Millerhill Road is a racetrack with blind corners and blind summits. The quiet routes of Shawfair Road/Whitehill Road, and even the hooking-up to the QMU cycle path are fiddly and diversionary, and anyway dump you on the main road roundabouts. And the road options to FK from east/west are bad enough even for an experienced cyclist.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  5. Tulyar
    Member

    @arellcat your mission for next week (or nobble another CCE'er?) is to check out how Niddrie Burn goes under The Wisp, by the kink just past the junction with Millerhill Road

    Pictures & measurements?

    Also a culvert under the A1 & railway chord to Monktonhall?

    Posted 1 year ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    You mean around here?

    https://goo.gl/maps/JmDBdxvQXouCqUBZ9

    Think only a couple of feet.

    Presume this -

    Almost 18 inches of flood water was reported in Edinburgh on the Wisp road in the south east of the city , Lothian and Borders Police said.

    https://amp.theguardian.com/travel/2006/oct/26/travelnews.uknews.transportintheuk

    Posted 1 year ago #
  7. Arellcat
    Moderator

    https://goo.gl/maps/JmDBdxvQXouCqUBZ9

    Think only a couple of feet.

    It might make for a jolly bike ride for a look-see. The Niddrie Burn properly flows north past the Jack Kane Centre and under the A6095, turns east at The Jewel, whence it becomes the Brunstane Burn.

    The Burdiehouse Burn ends at Old Dalkeith Road, and it becomes the Niddrie Burn. It was actually dammed at Little France to supply a separate branch east, possibly for use at Newcraighall and Wanton Walls. The Niddrie Burn itself was let south, between Wauchope House and the community centre, and I think this was used later for Niddrie House's walled garden (whose extent is still visible; it's where the community centre is), and this short branch reconnected with the main branch. This later got culverted under The Wisp and the gasworks and bing of the adjacent Niddrie Colliery, emerging to flow east, then disappeared under the railway at Niddrie South Junction, emerging on the north side of Wanton Walls, and rejoined the Brunstane Burn at the corn mill, now Brunstane Mill Park.

    With the construction of the RIE at Little France, the Niddrie Burn was rerouted and it doesn't return to its original course until just after the Jack Kane Centre.

    The main branch now though is still culverted between The Wisp, just north of Green Gables, but now as far as Whitehill Road just east of Redcroft. It's culverted at the A1. As far as I can make out, from that point it is either culverted or simply enters the water table, and finally emerges a little way north-west of Newhailes House, and rejoins the Brunstane Burn as before.

    Posted 1 year ago #
  8. Tulyar
    Member

    The massive areas of hard pavement at Fort Kinnaird seem to have had the branches of Niddrie Burn appropriated as swales to manage the massive increase in water run-off, and would (I'd hope) have had SEPA & Edinburgh Council planners demanding attenuation reservoirs & serious water management measures

    The Wisp appears to be higher than the drainage here, but flooding can be fickle...

    Posted 1 year ago #
  9. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I think there is an attenuation pond just south of Newcraighall station. Not sure what you're getting at though. I doubt any of the culverts are large enough to be repurposed as an active travel route between Shawfair/Newcraighall and the RIE.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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