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Edinburgh and CO2

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  1. cb
    Member

    "A report by the independent research institute Centre for Cities, using official UK Government data, showed Edinburgh's CO2 emissions per head were worse than cities including Sheffield, Leeds, Manchester, Glasgow, Newcastle, Birmingham and London."

    http://news.scotsman.com/environment/Emissions-are-beyond-a-choke.6700410.jp

    "This is a wake-up call to those of us who think we are doing our bit, to think a little bit more about what kind of cars we should be buying, how we heat our houses and where and how we shop." (said Robin Harper)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  2. Comment from Angus R

    "What is he on - i tried to do all my shopping at the local shops but it was hopeless - i had to drive around and around for ages before i got parked and then kept on having to move my car between shops - reckon that was much less efficient than driving to the supermarket and doing it all in one place!!"

    Er. If they are 'local' shops why was he driving??? Unless people have a 'big shop' mentality which means they can't do 'little and often'. Not sure if online shopping (which is what we do) is greener or not.

    I also liked Thomas the Tank:

    "Got as far as "Lothians' Green MSP Robin Harper said . . " then realised this was just another anti-middle class rant on behalf of the moonhowling ecomentalists."

    Basically admitting that he's basing his opinions on things without reading both sides of the story. Actually celebrating the fact that he's blinkered.

    Still, must always remember, it's the EN comments section - it means nothing!

    Posted 14 years ago #
  3. SRD
    Moderator

    Not sure if online shopping (which is what we do) is greener or not.

    Good column on this in today's Guardian by their London blogger. basically pointing out that the people who complain about Tesco moving into local neighbourhoods are probably the same people who get their groceries online /delivered!

    I'd say we get 90% of meat, eggs and veg local/at the farmers market; 70% of our milk, yogurt, juice at the supermarket, 30% local scotmid; 100% household stuff (paper, cleaning materials) at supermarket.

    Have been making my own bread since Christmas.

    Goal is to make more of our own biscuits/puddings etc.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  4. 100% of eggs from our back garden... :P

    Probably similar on the meat from the farmers market, as well as some bread, with the rest made at home. Our nearest Supermarket is really the local shop as well (in the evenings when the rest, save the Tesco attached to the filling station, are closed).

    Posted 14 years ago #
  5. SRD
    Moderator

    100% of eggs from our back garden... :P
    that pretty much trumps everyone...if we didn't get such good eggs at the market I'd be proposing to barter some sourdough loaves for eggs :)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  6. LaidBack
    Member

    Apart from the CO2 emissions we still have too many paticulates and other stuff in the air.

    I do notice how good you feel when you cycle out of town. The air quality is pretty dire on some routes - even with LRT's greener engines.
    Basically there are too many powered vehicles and we should have more of a mix.

    I love the air quality monitoring stations that are set well back from the roads.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  7. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Almost impossible to tell what the actual story is from the chipwrapper article, however the entire thing is based on one table in the 68-page report (turn to page 65).

    What the report actually says is from a sample basket of 62 UK cities, in terms of CO2 emmissions per capita, Edinburgh is classed as "medium", in that it has average or up to 2% below average per capita emissions and is equal 22nd in that list, with 7.2 tonnes per capita. It is based on 2008 data. The emissions per capita range from a minimum of 4.8 tonnes p/c (Hastings) to 27.4 tonnes p/c (Middlesborough).

    These are emissions from all sources. Not just transport.

    If you refer to the DECC data from which I think the data for this report is sourced, (slides 25 on) Edinburgh actually comes in a relatively low transport CO2 emmisions category. Perth & Kinross and Stirlingshire would seem to be the key offenders in Scotland in this respect. Interestingly if you look at all cities, they seem to be in the lowest categories. Again this is hardly surprising - the Centre For Cities report itself admits that there's efficiencies in scale for cities, and the bigger they are they generally have lower per capita emmissions.

    Domestic emissions are in the 2nd highest category, but there's a striking South & East / North & West differential here that is hardly surprising. The South & East is warmer, has longer days and is drier. It needs less heating and lighting.

    Industrial & Commercial Emissions are again strikingly low in the South and East.

    If you look at the last slide (29) it says it all. Per km^2 of land area, the emissions effectively mirror the urban conurbations and transport corridors. Again hardly surprising.

    SO. Anyway. Back to the point. The centre for cities report itself is ridiculously simplistic and doesn't really tell us much about anything. They've picked one way to measure total emissions, which gives us no insite. The DECC report gives a much more useful presentation of the same data. The EEN article is hardly what you might call anything but a bit of unsubstantiated and pointless rabble-rousing that doesn't really appear to have done it's homework. I'm not sure how far Robin Harper has read into the actualnumbers, but I agree with the sentiments of some of the EEN respondents that he's gone for the "obvious" attack against class and 4x4s, he doesn't (or the journalist doesn't) make it sound like he's done his bedtime reading either.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  8. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Apart from the CO2 emissions we still have too many paticulates and other stuff in the air.

    Absolutely. The concentrations of CO2 we are talking about here never poisoned anyone. CO, noxes, soxes and hydrocarbon particulates are far more worrying for our respiratory health.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

  10. Numptie
    Member

    100% of eggs from our back garden... :P[i]

    We have three Faverolles (French chickens) who have started to lay again after their winter break. Just finished my egg mayonnaise rolls made with yesterdays contribution from the chicks, yum.

    Posted 14 years ago #
  11. Min
    Member

    "100% of eggs from our back garden."

    Oh, I thought eggs came from chickens? :-P

    Posted 14 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    But the back garden came first...

    Posted 14 years ago #

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