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"What is Digital Kerbside Management?
Digital Kerbside Management enables kerbside loading bay allocations to be digitally lifted on to a booking system and app and allocated in advance. It provides a platform whereby freight drivers can book slots for kerbside access to deliver goods and services to the right place at the right time – improving delivery certainty and reducing the risk of PC penalties."
https://gridsmartercities.com/kerb/
Neat idea. Not sure it would work though...
The biggest problem with the current system is lack of enforcement. I can't see how this would solve that particular issue.
Interesting - it would have to be a very smart system to deal with traffic delays, over-running delivery times, illegal parking and so on. Also difficult to see how it is compatible with current delivery systems used by the major courier companies - bloke in a van reliant on making as many deliveries as possible, in the shortest time as possible.
I suppose it could work on a few high-profile city centre streets were almost no-one lives, allowing the scheduling of a few HGV deliveries per day.
Enforcement is key (I also think Gembo's CRUSHER should be a key part of any enforcement strategy) but the current model of delivery is utterly broken.
For smaller items on multidrop, containerising freight in smaller units would help here as that would enable much simpler freight aggregation/consolidation (you just need a delivery fleet capable of moving N euro crates or similar standard size, individually addressed, rather than preserving capacity for X vans all from different couriers, all delivering 1 or 2 items of N).
Perhaps kerb slots being a scarce resource would motivate The Market(TM) to move towards freight consolidation in certain areas.
Also kerb slot pricing should be tied to demand. So v expensive to get the coveted slots. Should reduce the HGV deluge at certain times of day for the bigger deliveries that really do need a big lorry.
I've sometimes wondered if almost the opposite of this would be better - mandate the pre-booking of parking in a given area, forbidding access to anyone without a booking but allowing access for loading vehicles, ensuring that parking is managed to ensure adequate loading space during loading hours. This solves the enforcement problem to some degree, which I agree is the biggest issue with any grand plan to solve this.
More flippantly I increasingly wonder if an appropriate way to maximise kerb space utilization in a world where loading rules seem impossible to enforce and residents' parking seems inviolable is to explicitly permit double parking over residents' bays at certain times and places. If they're going to do it anyway you may at least encourage them to do it in an organised and predictable fashion...
Fundamentally, the issue is that with the rise in parcel delivery, privatisation of mail and diversification of haulage and just-in-time logistics, 'loading' happens literally everywhere at almost any time and urban roads aren't equipped to facilitate that, nor do local authorities have the power or political will to effectively manage that demand at any level. I wonder how much demand for kerb space has increased over the last, say, 20 years versus the actual volume of items being delivered - once upon a time I might have received three parcels in the morning from a postie who walked round from a delivery office whereas now I might receive them at 10am, 2pm and 9pm from two different vans and a car. I don't really know how you tackle that without huge reform driven or at least heavily facilitated by national governments.
CEC/ProfSA *talks* about edge of town ‘hubs’ for larger vehicles to transfer to smaller for local distribution.
But…
This evening, in rush hour, I watched Stockbridge come to a halt because the massive lorry from the Netherlands was dropping off flowers. I suspect that you could fit the flower shop into the lorry three times.
bookable slots would have been great.
(I also watched several people drive TOWARDS the lorry as it was reversing, but I'm not sure what would help that aside from taking away their driver's licenses. )
I ended up corking Woodlands Road as an AA driver tried to recover a broken down car
The 'Me' culture of drivers saw every car pulling up hard behind the truck when it was obvious why the driver had stopped & needed to reverse in to load the broken down car up the rear ramp
This after I forced a driver to stop (the 2nd one to drive through a stop signal) so that the pedestrians could cross on the curtailed green man phase (due too M8 works resetting the timings) I just stood there with the sharp bits of the bike between us - to make first contact (he wasn't happy!)
I'm getting especially bolshie on setting off to cross when the drivers have a stop signal that they're refusing to obey. Occasionally this leaves their car stranded as the rest of the waiting pedestrians pile in & cross on the green man signal.
That said all large vehicle movements in restricted spaces, especially reversing must (per HSAWA - and a potential Section 3 prosecution is anyone is harmed) have an attendant on foot IN CHARGE of ALL traffic movements, including the large vehicle driver
Glasgow Council was fined £20,000 for killing a pensioner in 2014 with unmanaged reversing, staggeringly Stirling Council had an identical event in 2016 having learned nothing from 2014, but did not get prosecuted
I will block any driver I see reversing without an attendant wherever I can - used to be 2-3 times per year when moving around UK
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