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Public Bike Hire - webinar

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  1. Tulyar
    Member

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    30th April

    Interesting, especially as so many have pulled out in UK

    Bewegen (Canada) pulled from Forth Valley & Sestran but Hitrans took over from Inverness operation

    Serco pulled from Edinburgh

    Ride-on (Spain) pulled from Dundee and Leicester

    Nextbike away from Stirling, plus also gone from Co-Cars Exeter & Cardiff - bikes from these places have appeared in Glasgow

    Very interesting that Leeds has started an incremental (200 bike) operation with Beryl but expects to grow as the core user locations develop

    Also looking at Transdev - who have operations outside UK but IIRC they took over Veolia system which was originally OYBike that launched in 2004 in London!

    MY thinking has a few aspects from historic successes

    - start small & focussed - eg Main Edinburgh hospital to Sheriffhall P&R/Shawfair Station &c or Edinburgh Airport/Inliston Showground/P&R ...

    - work with bike hub (Bike Station)

    - deliver C&G technician level 1 qualifications as starter job, & workwith SPS and offenders as preparation for release (release on licence)

    Posted 1 week ago #
  2. Arellcat
    Moderator

    - work with bike hub (Bike Station)

    I suspect that capacity to deliver this would have to be found. West Lothian Bike Library was charged with the maintenance of the SEStran GO e-Bike fleet in 2017-18 and was seriously overworked.

    I further suspect, as I have no hard evidence to support my hypothesis, that many hire bike riders see and use the bikes in a manner that is not mechanically sympathetic.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  3. boghall
    Member

    As has been proven innumerable times worldwide, bike share economics are unsustainable everywhere none of these conditions are met: 1) Large central business district with enough year-round demand; 2) Infrastructure sufficient to tempt a critical mass of the inexperienced to cycle; 3) Tolerable levels of theft and vandalism; 4) Permanent subsidy from local authority or other sponsorship. Some schemes survive the absence of one or more of these, but Edinburgh only has 1) in summer; 2) is improving, but agonising slowly; 3) not at all (though the culture could change); and 4) seems highly unlikely. I predicted the JustEat scheme would fail before it began and, given the current pace of change, it seems any new scheme is destined for the same end. The Council should focus at this stage on the rapid roll out of protected bike lanes, and doing everything possible to encourage people to use the existing >100k unused personal bicycles in the city.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  4. Tulyar
    Member

    I think that Glasgow's success has a few interesting factors to review

    - a buy-in from big trip generators who were already slightly aligned (Glasgow University has universal pedestrian priority & 5mph speed limits on the internal roads)

    - all Glasgow University members got free membership. Others get discounted rates or free. Reduces need for inter-site minibuses (direct costs)/car trips (land costs) &c

    - 95% discount & other deals for those having transport poverty, or New Scots/refugees etc

    The Beryl models in Poole and now Leeds have started small with fairly focussed local circulation, which can be grown organically as public 'discover' the gains. This was apparent from the snowballing change in cycle use during 2 big London rail blockades 2004-05 & 2006-07

    A few details to look at if Edinburgh is to get a public bike Hire system

    - It needs to be part of a full Mobility deal, so a bus pass can also hire bikes, and hire car club cars (with monthly billing for use, or preloaded credits)

    - if linked in to NEC (bus passes) then over 60's could have bike hires linked in to a population health study

    - branding on bikes is a key detail - it funded free bikes in CPH in 1995 and started the early Nextbike systems in 2005. Taking rates from Willeys or BRAD media rate guides you get about 40 branded bikes for same price as a single 6-sheet poster (bus shelter) - a smart deal could have a principal sponsor with overlaid events and other 'spot' campaigns on same fleet

    - for large sites this needs to be integral in the total resource consumption management. When one company delivered ways to reduce demand for the for staff parking on a large site they saved £2000 per week on car parking space provision costs

    - For large NHS sites there sill be a substantial depletion of the budgets taken away from clinical spending to provide, manage & maintain car parking. The Royal In Glasgow spent £7.5m on a small multi-storey car park, whilst bus passengers have to get across traffic t/from M8 J14 to use bus stops with no bus shelters

    There is a critical mass size though - as JCDecaux wouldn't touch anything smaller then 250 bikes

    A suggestion for Edinburgh - a cluster around Airport, to connect tram/P&R/Long stay parking & airfreight on old Turnhouse Airport site/Ingliston Showground & Conference Venue _ plus second cluster for Bioquarter/RIE to link with Sheriffhall P&R/Shawfair Station with possible addition of Newcraighall Station & P&R

    Consider this as training & release programme for Saughton (SPS) with offenders on licence working to deliver scheme

    Look also at the options to develop Brompton leasing/hire, as Hitrans has done with progressive roll-out of Brompton Dock hire points where a 1.6 m² unit can support up to 32 bikes out on long term hire and run with no hired wired connection/minimal groundworks (solar panel powered, 4g/5g data link) plus the long term lease option that can cost less than £2/day for a fully supported (ie servicing & exchange (for refurb machine) after agreed period) Hitrnas has now installed 4 units just outside 3 stations -Oban, Inverness, Elgin (as getting any sensible commercial deal with Network Rail is abysmally slow until they get their bureaucracy sorted) plus on the ferry pier at Stornoway

    Hitrans has taken on the Bewegen EAPC which have been popular, mainly for University of H&I to station, and station to NHS Raigmore (3.5Km including a hill)

    Current good looking PBS are Nextbike now going for 20 years, Beryl, and Transdev (IIRC ex Veolia, Ex OYbike, also 20 years operation) - need to also check on Clear Channel (started in 1997) and Call-a-Bike (DB-Germany only, started 2001)

    Posted 1 week ago #
  5. Tulyar
    Member

    PS - for personal cycles, I'd refer folk to my 1997 report which included a section on residential parking, that also cross reference Bicycle Blueprint for New York City (1994 Charles Komanoff & Transportation Alternatives) which was followed up by residential cycle storage projects in Edinburgh and Hackney, the latter producing the Homebikepark guide

    I'd also note the potential for using the Homeport units (developed 30 years ago, and adapted for Hourbike and OYbike in 2004 - 20 years ago) this is a unit that uses minimal power & wireless data links for an electronically controlled lock, with a tamper resistant cable to pass through bike & wheels (the cable sheathed in braided wire, which is a pig to try cutting with almost any tool)

    Original units were released & locked with RFID cards, but could now use QR patches, bluetooth or other systems

    These units can be installed in residential buildings, but also at destinations for users to hire and lock their bikes

    I'd envisage the use of either the Orion Beta XXL modular bike racks,or the similar system that Brodie Engineering delivered for the Class 153 trains. For regular solo safety bicycles, these can neatly hold 24-26 bikes held upright by their own weight on a footprint 3m x 5m (a large car parking space) but can also be used for trikes, tandems and most types of bakfiets with slightly lower capacity, as obviously trikes & bakfiets are wider and block the adjacent spaces

    Happy to discuss this via PM - only been devising cycle stowage since 1990, when I devised system for Scotrail Young Explorer trains

    Posted 1 week ago #
  6. Tulyar
    Member

    @arellcat - I note that in Glasgow Bike for Good has sensibly (like Edinburgh Fringe did years ago) set up Motion Forward, as the commercially operated element which maintains & manages the Nextbike contract, at arms length from the charity operation of the community work by Bike for Good

    This would probably be the way to deliver schemes in other locations with a few other tweaks - was a disappointment that in Dundee, the Spanish Ride-On operator declined to connect with the Arbroath & Dundee community cycling projects, and perhaps similar with the mismatch between the corporate Serco approach for Edinburgh?

    Many lessons to extract?

    Posted 1 week ago #
  7. boghall
    Member

    Many good points but, in the absence of the above four factors, I can't shake the feeling of grasping at straws. I believe bike share can be made to work, in Edinburgh and even smaller places, but numerous economic, political, infrastructural and behavioural factors have to align, of which I see no immediate likelihood. Plus, quantitatively, it's a sideshow to the probably-two-orders-of-magnitude greater potential for mass cycling on already owned bikes.

    Posted 1 week ago #
  8. neddie
    Member

    Why should a public bike hire scheme be self-funding?

    We don't expect city streets to be self-funding, neither schools, hospitals or the fire service.

    If we are to thrive as a species, as an equal and equitable species, we need to move forward to a "public luxury, private sufficiency" model.

    That means luxurious, taxpayer funded, public/shared facilities such as schools, parks, leisure centres, swimming pools, public transport and bike hire. And tax the b'jesus out of private luxury and excessive wealth accumulation.

    The right-wing model of 'private everything' only 'works' for a handful of ultra rich to live in isolation in their gated enclaves, while everyone else suffers

    Posted 1 week ago #
  9. Kim
    Member

    CIE Mobility Afternoons Series: Bike share: From urban to regional schemes
    Join the webinar taking place on Tuesday 30 April at 15:00 BST and register today!

    Posted 3 days ago #

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