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Centre of road speed bumps and driver encroachement

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  • Started 6 months ago by DuddingstonDomestique
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  1. DuddingstonDomestique
    Member

    Do people on this forum often encounter motor vehicles in the opposite carriageway entering your carriageway to straddle a centre of road located speed bump? I often come across this behaviour on Mountcastle Drive North in Northfield. On this street, the speed bumps are installed in sets of three with one in each carriageway and one in the centre of the road. I am guessing these are installed elsewhere in the city. These can been seen here.

    The speed bumps do have some speed reduction effect. However, with a speed bump in the middle, often drivers will partially enter the opposite carriageway to straddle the centre bump. This is not so much of an issue if there are no parked cars and you are in secondary position. However as often is the case there are often parked cars on both sides and it is unnerving having a motor vehicle drifting over into your carriageway. Some drivers seem to not register a cyclist as traffic and will not keep over to their own side of the road. I find that adopting a “super primary” position, i.e. 30 cm from the centre line, does encourage drivers to stay in their own lane.
    The same road has a few chicanes. A recidivist rump of drivers on the give priority side of the chicanes seem not to perceive that it applies to an oncoming person on a bike. Some assertive road positioning does impel the majority of miscreants to give priority. It is a poor reflection of standards that to negotiate a mundane residential road requires quite a degree of resoluteness. Fine for those of us happy to display a degree of firmness on the bike; not so great for those who are less confident.
    On nearby Duddingston Road, the similar sets of three x speed bumps were recently replaced with sets of two, both in the centre of each carriageway. Prior to this most drivers would happily enter the cycle lanes to avoid the bump(s). The new layout has improved matters. However, I have seen a few drivers drive across the whole cycle lane to avoid bumps.
    I don’t know if continuous bumps are required but these do have their own disadvantages for the emergency services

    Posted 6 months ago #
  2. pringlis
    Member

    Yes, Woodburn Terrace has the same "three bump" system and pretty much every car I see coming down there straddles the speed bumps. https://maps.app.goo.gl/nXKhgtCyDUSsgVia6

    I don't have a proposed solution but would like to see some kind of change, especially as it's 100m away from several schools.

    Posted 6 months ago #
  3. neddie
    Member

    Speed bumps are a classic indicator of a street that needs to be filtered to remove through-traffic.

    If a street is a main road, it needs segregated lanes and no speed bumps. (How many *genuine* main roads can you think of that have speed bumps?)

    If a street is not a main road, it needs to be filtered (and local traffic that is invested in the area tends not to speed). Pretty simple really

    Posted 6 months ago #
  4. Dave
    Member

    Riccarton Mains rd just north of Currie has four big cushions that are road wide and do a good job slowing people down while continuing to drive straight. Interestingly they have systematically replaced the double/triple cushion style with road-wide ones around here.

    eg:

    before: https://maps.app.goo.gl/92FBq1oXGC3hRfXh8
    after: https://maps.app.goo.gl/d5TyedX4jhsUB5Sq5

    before: https://maps.app.goo.gl/bb54dcayE1u3rQG68
    after: https://maps.app.goo.gl/xbFVMyoJmhSicTDi9

    Riccarton Mains Rd is a bus route and presumably a major potential route for emergency services for certain kinds of incident so... weird

    Posted 6 months ago #
  5. DuddingstonDomestique
    Member

    My own anecdotal observation suggests Mountcastle Drive has a lot of through traffic. Some of the traffic is to access the nearby Network Rail maintenance depot. There is a 'natural' filter point at the bridge over the Figgateburn.

    @Dave, new full length speedbumps were installed on nearby Northfield Broadway where previously there were none: here.

    They were installed as part of the suite of measures associated with preventing HGVs from Portobello High St turning left into Sir Harry Lauder Road at the Kings Road /Porty High St/SHL road junction. HGVs that would have gone down SHR were intended to use Northfield Broadway. The bumps seem to do a reasonable job of slowing cars down without the encroachment into opposite lanes. This is also a bus route and an access road for most of the Northfield area so would be an emergency service route.

    Posted 6 months ago #

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