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Spokes Public Meeting - 21 Nov - Local Bike Campaigning

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  1. Rosie
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    SPOKES PUBLIC MEETING
    Subject:- LOCAL BIKE CAMPAIGNING

    When:- Thursday 21 November, 7.30, Ends 9.30. Doors open 6.45 for coffee, stalls and chat, including a special stall to join Spokes or renew your membership

    Venue:- Augustine United Church 41 George IV Bridge, Edinburgh EH1 1EL

    Local initiatives for better cycling infrastructure and to encourage getting about by bike are flourishing … along with wider demands for car-reduced living, walking, wheeling, local public transport and places no longer dominated by the demands of the car. Why is this happening? How is it happening? What can you do?

    Our meeting will hear from four diverse local Edinburgh bike initiatives, together with an overview from a transport and accessibility expert with a strong interest in community action. What is the spark to get started? the challenges, successes and failures? and what happens next?

    Speakers
    Derek Halden – expert in developing collaborative approaches for better accessibility; participant in the Roadshare campaign for presumed liability; currently involved in the EU DUT project ‘Driving Urban Transitions to a Sustainable Future.’ Derek also has a fascinating personal website, explaining his motivations, as well as his professional site.

    Ben Seven – editor of the excellent new(ish) Edi.Bike weekly newsletter.
    Julia Clarke – from Infrasisters
    Jarlath Flynn – promoter of school bike buses
    Victoria Hawkins from Edinburgh Critical Mass
    … followed by our always-anticipated one-hour panel QA – your chance to interrogate and challenge the speakers, hosted by

    Helen Todd, chair of Planning Democracy and former Ramblers Scotland policy manager.
    When Spokes began we were the only local group campaigning for cycling, and, with zero onroad or offroad cycle infrastructure (cycling was even banned in the Meadows) we sure were needed! We’ve always supported and encouraged other subsequent initiatives, whether it be bike workshops, reclaim the streets rides, cargobikes, bike buses or local area campaigns; and it’s great to see the huge diversity and numbers of local groups, organisers and participants now in the 2020s.

    Much of the motivation is surely the insidious growth in the number, size and dominance of motor vehicles on local streets. Governments have allowed this to happen to public space with zero public consultation, unlike the lengthy consultations which accompany any moves to reallocate space to walk, wheel, bike or bus. Indeed, the last 10 years have seen this growth encouraged as government freezes on fuel tax made driving cheaper and cheaper in comparison to public transport fares, resulting in more and bigger cars congesting the roads and making cycling or walking more scary.

    Whilst road danger is a prime motivation, cycling and walking initiatives often now also reflect widening concern about the world we are leaving to our children: the ever-growing evidence of climate breakdown and destruction of nature, as well as growing public health problems resulting from an environment which encourages inactive lifestyles.
    Local campaigning has undoubtedly also been spurred in recent years, not just by the above motivations, but also by the new shared digital opportunities for communication and information (e.g. Open Street Map) through the internet, and this will be discussed by Derek Halden in his talk. 31 Oct 2024

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  2. chdot
    Admin

    That’s a fascinating lineup and great that Spokes has put this together.

    Our meeting will hear from four diverse local Edinburgh bike initiatives, together with an overview from a transport and accessibility expert with a strong interest in community action. What is the spark to get started? the challenges, successes and failures? and what happens next?

    Which of course is an important Q!

    Edinburgh is good at pressure groups and individuals/small groups that really have made a difference.

    BUT

    Local initiatives for better cycling infrastructure and to encourage getting about by bike are flourishing … along with wider demands for car-reduced living, walking, wheeling, local public transport and places no longer dominated by the demands of the car. Why is this happening? How is it happening? What can you do?

    Unfortunately, though true, in limited, literal, senses, the entitlement and entrenchment of the ‘opposition’ continues/worsens.

    I would argue that SA was a disaster (not looking for an argument!) his successor seems likely to be worse.

    I’m not in any way dissing Spokes or all the projects mentioned (and others) - also important activities around gardening/food, repair/upcycling etc.

    All valuable, but never enough, unfortunately things have undoubtedly got worse in recent years CEC/Scotland/UK/world.

    Highlight/celebrate/encourage.

    Try to minimise complacency, or despair…!

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  3. Morningsider
    Member

    It's easy to despair in Edinburgh, but just take a look at what Glasgow is doing using the same TRO process and budgets to see what difference a supportive (or at least indifferent) cadre of politicians and officials makes.

    It looks pretty likely that within the next three or four years Glasgow will have the guts of a comprehensive segregated cycle network serving much of the city. It isn't prefect, but the newer routes I have used are really pretty good - better than the best bits of CCWEL.

    I know there is probably less organised opposition to cycle routes in Glasgow than in Edinburgh, but there isn't no opposition. Time to swallow our pride and find out how they do it - then copy it.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    “Time to swallow our pride and find out how they do it - then copy it.“

    Um

    “our pride”

    You mean ‘campaigners’ or CEC officials/politicians?

    If anything, Glasgow has learned not to do what Edinburgh does…

    ‘Edinburgh’ is incapable of learning that, ‘it’s special’…

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  5. Dave
    Member

    There do seem to be more "groups" than before at face value but on the other hand there's extremely little progress on the ground, from a national level (dashcam portal, legal reforms etc) right down to physical infra in city streets. Is the lack of progress driving participation in groups? Or is it holding back a much bigger latent demand? Lots of interesting potential chat.

    For my part, frustration with the council got me involved in such a group, but once I realised how negative the outlook is my ability to participate has spiralled downward into apathy

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  6. gembo
    Member

    The elected members in Glasgow are stable

    In Edinburgh currently the minority ruing group will sell their grannies for a vote.

    The TRo requires elected members to order council staff to take their direction.

    One good thing Edinburgh did wasthe global pavement ban. Clever, So we can work round the elected members but that is not how major change happens. THe elected members drive it. We dont have that,

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  7. CycleAlex
    Member

    Glasgow appears to be a less hostile environment to AT with TROs and RSOs mostly getting few objections. The funding for the Avenues project coming through the City Region Deal also seems to have been significant in allowing progress without the lengthy nonsense bidding to and fro from ScotGov.

    More subjective, but I feel that most of the Glasgow schemes I have seen are ‘easier’ to deliver - literally and politically. Plenty are on wide 4+ lane roads with no bus lanes. Most Edinburgh corridors are more constrained and already have bus priority, making it harder to simply remove a lane.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    @cyclealex those are good points. The social capital of many Edinburghers exists in areas out with the smaller Glasgow area these days. In Bearsden, Lenzie, Newton Mearns etc.

    Hence Edinburgh needing better politicians.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  9. Yodhrin
    Member

    @chdot Now now, let's not sell our Western cousins short, Glaswegians are just as capable of pride and blindspots as the rest of us. Though they are a wonderful group of people, as they will tell you about, at length; modest as well...

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    There isn’t a Corstorphine in Glasgow, but the bears way in Bearsden similar. And similar issue with Carmageddon and drivers.

    there isn’t a Braids Hills in Glasgow that is in East Renfrewshire,

    The city of Glasgow now is a way smaller place than it used to be,

    Posted 2 weeks ago #

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