I'll believe this when i see it: Pedestrians 'put first' in Edinburgh city centre plan
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Pedestrians 'put first' in Edinburgh city centre plan
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Posted 13 years ago #
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"I'll believe this when i see it"
I don't believe I'll see it! -
Posted 13 years ago # -
Yeah who roller blades these days!
That lovely artists impression also misses out the pylons and cables needed for the trams, they're really hoping no one is going to notice them aren't they.
Posted 13 years ago # -
That cyclist and pedestrian are heading to a bit of a conflict as well...
And the young kid's mother appears to be a ghost...
Posted 13 years ago # -
"The blueprint for the next five years"
Mmm.
Well the removal of Princes Street railings won't happen.
I'm still not putting money on the trams running...
Even if they do, I don't expect 'no buses' on PS.
Don't suppose anyone has calculated the cost of completely repaving the whole area to a standard that will survive weather and traffic.
Apart from that, YES PLEASE!
Posted 13 years ago # -
They missed out the businessman with the jetpack from that collage.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Pedestrians and taxis...
Posted 13 years ago # -
"City admits tram project is a PR disaster"
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/City-admits-tram-project-is.6719090.jp
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No mention of cyclists - I'm hoping that's the reporter's emphasis rather than Gehl's.
I would certainly hope that "temporary projects, such as increasing footway space on the north side of George Street ... along with longer-term projects, such as creating pedestrian spaces in the centre of George Street" would remember to include a well-marked and suitably wide cycle route...
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"No mention of cyclists - I'm hoping that's the reporter's emphasis rather than Gehl's."
Or perhaps the council's...
Gehl told an Edinburgh audience (and presumably many others) a couple of year's ago about the time he and his wife cycled to a restaurant a few miles from home for their wedding anniversary which would have been 'unthinkable a few years ago'.
Posted 13 years ago # -
So it's official then - no trams??
"Key projects which the council hopes to deliver within the next two years include creating a pedestrian-friendly zone in George Street, holding special events in Rose Street, and closing off Princes Street on a trial basis during festival times."
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Heart-of-the-Capital-to.6719523.jp
Posted 13 years ago # -
Tram to the top of Leith Walk. Pleasant bus transfer along Queen Street to Shandwick Place. Board another tram to whisk you to the airport.
Simples.
Posted 13 years ago # -
"a new network of city centre cycle routes is expected to be in place."
Interesting...
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"Simples"
But of course.
Irony of your irony is that when originally 'planned' there was expectation that people would leave buses at Haymarket and St. Andrew Square and get tram.
I suggest that that model, and current semi-pedestrianisation, can only work (and get much public support) if there were at least three tram stops between H and St. A.
Of course that would add minutes to city centre to airport times - further undermining the case for tram as replacement for 100 bus.
The tram project has always been more idealogical than practical transport. Speed from Haymarket to 'the waterfront' was the reason it 'couldn't' stop at the Western General - where people might want to go (and where they recently 'had' to build a bigger car park).
This is Edinburgh. NO transport policy.
Posted 13 years ago # -
Kind of get the feeling that the tram avoids most a lot of places it should sensibly go just incase that might slow it down between point A (Ocean Terminal) and point B (Airport)!
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Perhaps unsurprisingly, the businesses in George St don't seem too happy with the suggested reduction in parking...
Fears for city trade if parking spaces are axed
Anyone know what's happened to trade in comparable city centre pedestrianisation schemes? I'd have thought there'd be some upside as well as a downside.The last comment from the Cockburn Association strikes me as a bit odd:
“A lot of money was put into [part-pedestrianisng] [sic] Castle Street and everybody says that was a disaster.”
A "disaster"? Really? Were many killed?Posted 13 years ago # -
"A FORMER chief executive of Edinburgh's main bus company has warned that a clampdown on the number of services using Princes Street risks damaging the city centre."
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/news/Slashing-buses-along-Princes-Street.6720715.jp
Posted 13 years ago # -
Diggers and workmen were tearing lumps out of George Street last night. Not sure if it was a generic resurfacing job or "improvements" being made. A couple of zebra crossings have been replaced by pelicans of late.
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kaputnik: Kind of get the feeling that the tram avoids most a lot of places it should sensibly go...
I agree. Shouldn't the ideal tram route take in the Grassmarket, Tollcross, Princes Street, the Bridges, the Royal Mile, George IV Bridge etc?
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"I reckon most debate may well be generated by the report on the 'City Centre and Princes Street Public Realm' issues - detail here. I'm supportive of much of what's in this report, but to ask for it to be 'approved' without any further public consultation seems to be asking-for-trouble? In particular, the removal of ALL buses from Princes Street would have very, very significant consequences (and I'm not sure it's even feasible?) and it does appear to me that the public should be asked for their views before this is taken anywhere near the 'approval' stage."
http://andrewburns.blogspot.com/2011/02/policy-and-strategy-committee-tomorrow.html
Posted 13 years ago # -
perhaps we should revisit the hairbrained schemes to do a cut-and-cover tunnel in George Street. It used to be for a car park, maybe it could now be a busway?
There used to be one such in London, The Kingsway Tram Subway
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"perhaps we should revisit the hairbrained schemes to do a cut-and-cover tunnel in George Street"
I think 'they' discovered it was solid rock (not like London Clay).
Posted 13 years ago # -
I suppose that's why they never built the mechanical CD-changer style revolving carpark in Chambers Street either.
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"I suppose that's why they never built the mechanical CD-changer style revolving carpark in Chambers Street either."
Can't be quite so solid - keeps subsiding and having to be filled in again and ag...
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"I think 'they' discovered it was solid rock"
So no ancient graves/monuments/utilities to be discovered. Sounds easy.
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"
City transport leader Gordon Mackenzie today admitted it was "very unlikely" that a proposal by the international architects commissioned by the council to move towards making the street completely bus-free would be accepted."
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/topstories/Doubledecker-ban-to-cut-Princes.6723016.jp
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DOUBLE-decker buses could be banned from Princes Street at non-peak times as part of the latest attempts to improve the thoroughfare.Councillor Mackenzie said he intended to speak with Lothian Buses and other providers about the possibility of using smaller buses outside of the main morning and early evening rush hours in a bid to make the street more attractive to residents and shoppers."
SO
Single deckers are prettier????
Posted 13 years ago # -
Sounds like a 'compromise' to me! :-/
Posted 13 years ago # -
Single deckers that run on rails and powered by electricity? ;-)
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Single deckers are prettier????
They don't block the view of the Castle...
Posted 13 years ago # -
If there was a commercial argument for single deckers, they'd be used already, but if all it does is put more smaller buses on the road, that can't be in anyone's interest. If there is money to spend on new buses; spend it on greening them - why do they have to run on diesel?
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