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Help planning western loop

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  1. Dave
    Member

    As the days are getting long, I've been thinking about a more circuitous commute, to get the miles up.

    With all this chat about the canal, I thought about riding out there, somehow finding my way to the coast and riding back in on the Fife commuter expressway (or vice-versa, if we can sort it out in time for me to go on the way home today).

    Does anyone have any advice on the best way to join the two up?

    I see you can take the canal all the way to Winchburgh (12 miles), and then I could ride in via Kirkliston (10 miles). But what's the surface like? I'm aware it's not paved but is it at least hardpack (the recumbent is pretty useless at speed on loose rubble)?

    Cheers,

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. Dave
    Member

    Hmm. I didn't realise the cutting between Kirkliston and South Queensferry looks to be largely mud. At Dalmeny it looks like the Roseburn, all paved and awesome. :(

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. cb
    Member

    Geograph can sometimes be useful for this kind of thing.

    http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1306440

    http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1306505

    Hey, I thought you never rode on the canal paths?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. Stepdoh
    Member

    I fink you would have to go in again to Barnton junction, then shoot down past ms rowling's house to Cramond to join the path at the inn there.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Personally I wouldn't take the canal out of town any further than Ratho climbing centre as in my experience it gets too muddy and rocky to be fun on anything less than two-inch knobbly tyres. I didn't much enjoy doing Linlithgow to Winchburgh!

    The former railway path from south of Dalmeny into SQ is nicely paved, but is kind of a one way trip unless you fancy powering back up Hawes Brae! I haven't cycled the Newbridge-Kirkliston-Dalmeny path for years but I remember it being fine in summer and muddy in winter - more or less the same as the WoL path.

    Maybe A70 > Ravelrig Rd > Long Dalmahoy Rd > Burnwynd > Bonnington Rd > Newbridge > Breast Mill > Carlowrie Cottages > New Burnshot > A90?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. Dave
    Member

    "Hey, I thought you never rode on the canal paths?"

    Probably why I'd need to ask what it's like? ;-)

    I have ridden to Ratho and back (which is why we decided to drive there), but my experience stops at that point - and it was a few years ago. Sounds like it might be a bit grim, then.

    Thanks for those pics though - very helpful. Seems like the section to Kirky would be OK.

    I hadn't really thought of going out to the south, Becky. There are quite a few options there when zoomed in. Cheers.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Personally I wouldn't take the canal out of town any further than Ratho climbing centre as in my experience it gets too muddy and rocky to be fun on anything less than two-inch knobbly tyres.

    Our experience of a half mile of it between Abercorn and Philpstoun on Tuesday would confirm this... Rutted, rough, muddy, slow, uncomfortable. Quite a few nice, quiet-ish roads that could be taken.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. Dave
    Member

    OK. Got back just before 7pm after riding the original route suggested:

    Leith -> Roseburn -> Dalmeny -> Kirkliston [on the railway] -> Newbridge (on the road) -> Boathouse (canal) -> Blackford.

    I was going to ride under the canal and in the A71 or A70 as suggested, but curiosity got the better of me and I bumped up onto the canal to see what it would be like!

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/69912768

    2 hours for 25 miles, which is good considering I spent 40 minutes averaging 8-10 on the rough bits.

    So, for those who'd appreciate an up-to-date status on all of the above (if not, don't bother as there's nothing exciting).

    - the closure en-route to Dalmeny is quite annoying going west, because you have to shut down this entire traffic stream while riding uphill along the roadworks. Bet there is a lot of aggro here, although the car behind was quite agreeable about it. (Helps to be on the right sort of bike).

    -They are making the pavement very wide - I can't see how any sort of lane would fit on-road which is unfortunate, but if it ends up as wide as it looks, I might ride on it. It looks like they're taking away half the east-bound lane, for reference.

    - The railway between South Queensferry and Kirkliston seems to have a random gap in it, protected by Sabretooth Tiger Death Ray Security !!!! . Strange - a paved path under my old commute clearly heads south, but there is no such path where you try to join it from Dalmeny village - you have to ride a few hundred meters on and bump over the grass to reach the embankment.

    - Once on the embankment, I realised it was basically just soft ground 85% of the time, with no sort of surfacing whatsoever. While navigable on one inch slicks, it is pathetically slow and you're paralleling an actual road (even if it is a boy racer paradise road) which would be 2.5x as fast.

    - From Kirkliston to Newbridge I rode on the rat run, not that much fun but it only took 2:45 to cover the mile, it is smooth and the terrain is agreeably flat. Not somewhere you'd take your kids maybe.

    - The canal from Newbridge to where the paving starts is 3.7 miles and I rode it at around 10mph without much hassle, would have been considerably faster on big squashies though!

    - From the paving to my exit was 4.7 miles ridden at 15mph (taking it very easy). I passed one rider coming the other way and let one overtake me when I stopped for directions. Unfortunately he was both slower than me on the clear bits and much faster round the bridges, live and learn.

    - the narrow viaduct is *VERY* scary. God knows why they have not surfaced it - it took a good bit of nerve to ride with the front end of the bike jeaping up in the air and not enough speed to have easy steering way. Might be bent-specific, since I remember zipping across this on the fixed wheel.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. wingpig
    Member

    15mph is the requested limit on the canal anyway, or at least it was back when you were apparently supposed to print off a wee permit thing from the BWS website and carry it when riding the towpath. I assume it was too dark to see the "please dismount" courtesy request-signs at the aqueduct? Much easier for feet than wheels to cope with the cobbles anyway.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. druidh
    Member

    There is a sneakier way of getting from the canal to Newbridge which cuts out almost all of the road...

    Head past Ratho, then when you see the little "island" in the canal, take a path heading off towards Cliftonhall Road.

    Then cut right into Claylands Road and then past the cattery. The path then runs beside the motorway, under the railway bridge.

    Cut onto Harvest Road, then back onto Cliftonhall Road.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. Dave
    Member

    Gosh darn it, so there is - I can just see it lurking cheekily beneath the trees on satellite view!

    Next you'll be telling me there's a quick and easy way onto the railway embankment that doesn't involve fannying around on the pavements and the flyover.

    And then that it's all going to be surfaced. ;-)

    @wingpig - I think the limit is 6mph, according to the signs..? I'm not sure I'd rather try to walk across the cobbles beside the bike either, not with these cleats/shoes ;-)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  12. wingpig
    Member

    6mph is for the wee boaties so that they don't erode the bank or startle the moorhens.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "6mph is for the wee boaties"

    Nope, boats is 4.

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=1364#post-12815

    Posted 13 years ago #
  14. druidh
    Member

    When in Dalmeny, you headed south on Standingstane road. If you'd taken the first right after the A90 flyover, you find a little path to the left before the railway which parallels Standingstane Road. Only issue is a flight of stairs a little further on where the path crosses over to the other side of the railway tracks.

    None of this ideal on skinny road tyres - 32/35 CX tyres are fine though.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  15. Dave
    Member

    I see. I had plotted a trace based on OSM cycle routing, which attempts to put you down this road here - which is the one I referenced above as being completely sealed off by Vulcan Nerve Grip Ninja Shark security. No way through.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  16. druidh
    Member

    In fact, thinking about it, is it not possible to join off West Main Street in Dalmeny?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  17. Dave
    Member

    That's where I've previously seen it. But it seemed unnecessary to ride down to the bridge from the road when I could (allegedly) follow it round the corner and then join from a road directly.

    In any case, today I trialled a revised loop which avoided the South Queensferry - Newbridge path and also shunned the unsurfaced crap on the canal - very much better.

    http://connect.garmin.com/activity/70716490

    There is a nice bit of road which parallels the canal and you're going the "wrong" way so only have to worry about drivers cutting corners and a hump-back bridge with poor visibility. Then cut through Ratho, bit of a hump over the M8 (good training!) and down to Newbridge.

    Riding the rat-run to Kirkliston was pretty uneventful, except at the very finish when a First bus tried repeatedly to overtake me coming up into the village despite there being no room (even when there was an HGV coming the other way!). Still, what do you expect from a First bus driver?

    The rest was pretty straightforward - out towards the A90, turn left for Dalmeny, through to the NCN1 junction but using the Dalmeny estate route, and then in to Leith on the Roseburn.

    Very nice. It's pretty sweet that you can do 27 miles in and out of town in rush hour and only have a mile or so of traffic to deal with.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  18. Dave
    Member

    Again today. I kept count of how many cars overtook me during the 27 miles - it was 19.

    Four between the house and Newbridge, one by Dalmeny and one outside the office in Leith - the other 13 were split evenly between the rat run to Kirkliston and the long straight from Kirkliston towards the A90. No trouble with any of them, of course.

    Posted 13 years ago #

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