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Poor Roadcraft

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  • Started 13 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
  • Latest reply from Min

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  1. Sigh. Seen this Boardman guy a couple of times now.

    Coming out of the estate at the top of the Innocent tunnel, left onto the main road, then immediately right to make for the Meadows. Every morning he pulls stright out onto the main road (keeping to the left) then has to sit and wait for the traffic to make a standing start sprint across to the right for the turn.

    This morning he did this, while I waited for the way to be clear (two cars coming). Of course he acted like a driver and saw me as a gap in traffic and pulled straight across in front of me. I followed him down to the red lights crossing Clerk(?) Street. In the next section there is (and has been for a few weeks) a workman's container thingy, so I always sit central in the ASL so no car can go on the left or the right of me, thereby cutting me up before the container. Boardman sits so far left his foot is up on the kerb.

    Hit the reds to enter the Meadows, and the length of time waiting for him to re-appear on my (extreme) left, it's clear he's ridden up to the container without checking on the traffic behind, then had to wait for a gap to go past it.

    Should I say something the next time I see him in the morning? Or am I likely to get a smack in the mouth? Fear is I come over all arrogant and superior (not helped by being dressed in jeans on a non-racey bike and with a cloth cap atop my head compared to his stealth black speed machine, helmet and full-length lycra and still leaving him behind through the Meadows).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. wingpig
    Member

    Leave some Post-Its on lamp-posts on his route?
    Try and time your journey to coincide with his more often and then ride slightly in front of him demonstrating the sensible way of doing things?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. DaveC
    Member

    Leave him to his own devices. He's an adult and responsible for his own actions. Maybe he doesn't feell confident enough to cycle in the middle of the road, maybe he has been rear ended in the past and prefers to sit on the left.

    We saw a cyclist ride through three sets of red lights on the way from Princes street to Leith walk on Sunday evening. When we passed her, for she was dawdling along, I yelled out, was she immune to red lights?!?

    I think some are just ingorant and think they don't have to adhere to road traffic laws. I've certainly never seen any cyclist pulled over by the police.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. Min
    Member

    Just continue to lead by example I reckon.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. SRD
    Moderator

    I gave some unsolicited advice about (some of) the same intersections last week, which was politely and gratefully received!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. ruggtomcat
    Member

    sarky comments as you pass I recon. 'hurry for yer funeral?' perhaps.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. SRD
    Moderator

    Crossing Clerk St I'm in center of ASL, had woman come up behind me and sit at left, then at next intersection, as I sat in queue of traffic behind container (as described by Anth), she went past me and tried to sneak through to left of small lorry towing trailer...bad move. It started to move, trailer squeezed her up against container. It was like a bad movie, except trailer was low and open with sides maybe only halfway up of perforated metal. I hope she could see what was happening - to me it looked like she was in a vice, being slowly squeezed in. But anyway, as lorry was moving, I went forward past her and shouted "Don't go to to left of articulated vehicles. it's how everyone dies. look it up." Wish I'd come up with something cleverer but hope the message got through.

    Could we do A5 flyers, double-sided with one side showing recommended road positions, and the other side giving stats on fatalities, and hand them out at those two intersections?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Could we do A5 flyers

    We could indeed. If someone wants to describe how it should look I'd be happy to turn my hand to it (in a style that's easy to photocopy!)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    Must say this sign increased my caution as I followed this truck along The Bridges -

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. DaveC
    Member

    Nice, perhaps all lorries and busses should have this, a bit like those 'let the bus pull out' signs.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. Dave
    Member

    "Leave him to his own devices. He's an adult and responsible for his own actions....

    I yelled out, was she immune to red lights?!?"

    ??????

    Posted 13 years ago #
  12. DaveC
    Member

    @Dave [Like].

    (I never said I wasn't a hypocrite...)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  13. Dave
    Member

    Aren't we all... I just found it entertaining ;-)

    Posted 13 years ago #
  14. wingpig
    Member

    Illegal and daft may intersect, but glares or shouts would perhaps be inappropriate for some merely daft behaviours.

    I wasn't sure how best to deal with the bloke who stopped slightly behind me on the left at the ASL where I was turning into Abbey Lane from London Road this morning, sitting far enough out from the kerb to prevent a car squeezing into the red but with an obviously-cocked wheel. He didn't turn left, but appeared to wait for me to set off first, unless he just wasn't watching the lights.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  15. Min
    Member

    "Illegal and daft may intersect, but glares or shouts would perhaps be inappropriate for some merely daft behaviours."

    Strongly seconded.

    Consider how you feel when strangers start yelling at you in the street. Do you immediately obey their commands or do you think they are a tosser and ignore them? Particularly when riding a bike. Personally I feel I get shouted at and threatened more than enough for behaving perfectly legally to want to perpetuate it towards other cyclists merely for taking a road position that I might personally disapprove of. Consider how often they might have been yelled at or threatened for NOT riding in the gutter.

    Posted 13 years ago #

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