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"Horse-and-carriage rides along Princes Street have been unveiled as part of a programme of events to draw crowds back to the city centre once tram works are removed from the street."
Ha, I'd love to see those cart wheel getting stuck in the tram tracks....
I'm gonna get me a horn and sit behind them tooting and shouting "trot faster!", "pay some feckin' road tax".
"Ha, I'd love to see those cart wheel getting stuck in the tram tracks.... "
(Yes, I'm new on this forum.)
I would hope that the carriage's wheel gauge is the same as the tram (isn't the standard gauge the same as that used on Roman chariots?), so the horse and cart should be able to cruise along Princes St in nice straight lines (apart from the bit where the track kinks around the Gallery)...
Welcome MV
Well there was stuff in the tracks to stop them getting tarred over, but they've just taken it out!!
Tram stop setts removed.
Glad they seen some sense with that, now if only they'd shown enough sense not to impliment them in the first place... Or maybe not even started a £1bn tram project...
The new concrete bit looks nice, though the small gaps between successive concrete blocks appear to have been filled-in with dried mud:
They're lucky the remaining (replaced) tarmac won't be there for very long and won't have many buses and lorries tearing at it as it doesn't look at all sealed at the edges. It'll be interesting to see if it copes with a little freezing and thawing over the winter.
And bicycles(?)
This'll get the punters on Princes Street
Surprisingly few bikes
What Princes Street is for(?)
Alternative transport
"Retailers hope that the triple boost of a weekend of activity on the newly-pedestrianised Princes Street, people recently being paid and stores slashing prices will encourage shoppers to make this one of the busiest weekends of the year."
Beware police in PS emergency lane...
I diverted eastwards when it turned out that Charlotte Square wasn't moving. A foot-constable was speaking to a bloke on a bike near BHS and two people heading west were walking along the pavement as if they'd been told to, so I dismounted at a safe distance and walked to ShopTop.
It's comforting that L&B can find the time and resources to do this, we know they have our best interests at heart and don't want us hurting ourselves on those nasty pedestrians.
Far easier than trying to enforce correct use of just a single ASL box or double yellow/red on a cycle lane across the entire city...
In fact I have just made (my first ever) FOI request to L&B Polis as follows;
I would be obliged if you could send me details under your Freedom of Information Scheme of any initiatives, operations or campaigns in the year 2010 or 2011 by Lothian and Borders Police to specifically target traffic violations of cycling infrastructure in the City of Edinburgh.
This would include, but not limited to;
- Infringements of the advanced stop line "reservoir" after traffic lights have turned red.
- Stopping or parking on double red or yellow lines in dedicated car-free (bus / bicycle) lanes
- Stopping or parking across bicycle or "toucan" crossing lights
- Driving in dedicated car-free (bus / bicycle) lanes out with permitted hours
- Making turns prohibited for cars and only permitted for bicycles / buses
Details of response to appear (in theory) here within 20 days
I thought we had established that it was okay to cycle along Princes Street and that the "dismount" only applied to turning on to it?
Mind you, as we already know, these signs NEVER have a "cyclists remount" equivalent so we can never know when it IS okay to get back on.
"I thought we had established that it was okay to cycle along Princes Street and that the "dismount" only applied to turning on to it?"
Except that was before they put the tram junk back...
I thought we had also established that the Police weren't entirely sure about the precise legalities (or otherwise) of cycling on it!
"I thought we had also established that the Police weren't entirely sure about the precise legalities (or otherwise) of cycling on it!"
Think this about cycling on pavement.
Re: dismounting at Cyclist Dismount signs. I have been practicing hard for Cyclocross and am now able to dismount and remount in under 0.1 seconds. Actually, you probably blinked and missed it. I'll show you again. Did you see me that time? Well trust me, both feet were on the ground Occifer...
The police was talking to a cyclist about what sounded (Dopplering only slightly as I walked past, in a rush to get to the nursery but straining my pinnae in their direction) like justification for asking cyclists to take care and so on. It didn't look like the cyclist had been nicked (hadn't been asked to step away from hid vehicle) but the two others who'd dismounted and had walked past me looked more like they had dismounted right where the policer was.
Cyclists Dismount signs advisory only, and you are under no compulsion to abide by them. You cannot commit an offense by ignoring the sign.
Why?
Becouse the Tram people relly don't know what to do with cyclists is what it boils down to. At no point in any of the consultation or planning have cyclists or cycling been properly considered. I am of the opinion if they put a sign up they think we will all just go away so they don't have to deal with us. Wish some tram people had been up at waterloo place last wednesday LOL
"Cyclists Dismount signs advisory only, and you are under no compulsion to abide by them. You cannot commit an offense by ignoring the sign."
Unless it has been put in place because a proper Traffic Regulation Order has been passed...
With emphasis on proper.
I'm assuming chdot has posted a pic, but we don't get flickr at the office so I'm somewhat in the dark...
"Unless it has been put in place because a proper Traffic Regulation Order has been passed..."
No, even if a TRO was passed banning cycling, the relevant sign is *NOT* "cyclists dismount". That is an advisory sign by definition and the meaning of the sign (sensibly) doesn't change based on underlying bits of paper having been shuffled around.
If cycling is not permitted there is only one applicable sign and (I understand) that sign MUST be used for the TRO or bylaw to be enforceable. That sign is #951 "cycling prohibited", which I posted earlier and looks like this:
Just to add a citation for the above - take a look at any of our actual 'cycling prohibited' routes on streetview:
- bypass
- A90
This is the only correct signage if people are not allowed to cycle somewhere. In my opinion, slopping around 'dismount' signs is an easy way to try and control cyclists without having to go through due process and should be actively resisted.
Yes. But. If there is a proper TRO, and the 'no cycling' sign displayed elsewhere, while the 'Cyclists Dismount' sign remains advisory it is also placed somewhere where cycling is not permitted and so despite the sign being advisory if you cycle there you're committing an offence.
It's not necessarily the case to suggest that in every single case a 'Cyclists Dismount' sign can be ignored completely.
"and the 'no cycling' sign displayed elsewhere"
Didn't see one...
MORE annoying is that you can't (legally) cycle south from Hanover Street to George Street.
The comprehensive 'road stop' without any cycle cut-through would not happen in a city that wanted to encourage cycling!!!
chdot: "The comprehensive 'road stop' without any cycle cut-through would not happen in a city that wanted to encourage cycling!!! "
Too true. My pet peeve here in Musselburgh, which I pointed out on the Chimney Sweep ride, has just been "improved". The cut through on Inveresk Road (beside Tesco) has been redesigned and now has no ramps at all. Okay, one of the original ramps is still there but now carries you straight into a flower bed.
Plus they have just completely blocked off North and South St Andrew St again. Not even a sign there. Just nothing.
""and the 'no cycling' sign displayed elsewhere"
Didn't see one..."
Um yes. Can that sign really be displayed somewhere where you can't actually see it and be used against you?
"Can that sign really be displayed somewhere where you can't actually see it and be used against you?"
Of course.
Ignorance of the law is no defence...
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