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"moving Edinburgh forward"

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    It is generally assumed that people on here support most parties (or none).

    We have avoided particularly partisan discussions - even ahead of May's Holyrood elections.

    We did examine each party's manifesto for references to cycling and transport generally.

    It's 6 months to the next election - for CEC Councillors.

    It's going to be more interesting than usual - or as dull as ever - depending on your view of politics.

    The performance of the the last 4 1/2 years is perhaps best described as 'variable'.

    The coalition may not survive for the next six months, so there may be even more of a pre-election than usual.

    The Labour Party has just launched what amounts to a pre-manifesto with a 'we want your views' agenda.

    "• We plan to set up a city-wide Transport Forum to map out our real transport needs, with input from local communities on where there is lack of provision and how we can fill the gaps."

    http://www.scribd.com/mobile/documents/71132298/download?commit=Download+Now&secret_password=

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. Dave
    Member

    I'm pretty sure I'm going to vote for whoever is most likely to defeat the incumbent, regardless of their party.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. Nelly
    Member

    I will be revisiting the responses I got to the southside 20mph experiment, and voting accordingly.

    I suspect this means I will not be voting for the same party I usually nominate, but that is possibly a good thing.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    "I'm pretty sure I'm going to vote for whoever is most likely to defeat the incumbent, regardless of their party."

    Understandably - but not easy with the multi-councillor ward system.

    Most parties will only have one candidate in most wards.

    I suspect that the Greens won't have candidates in all wards.

    I know there are people who would like to see a 'none of the above' party or a 'rainbow alliance' of some sort. But as the single-issue, anti-tram, candidate didn't do very well in the recent bye election I don't see much chance of any electoral success by any other than the existing parties.

    Local elections tend to have fairly low turnouts and voting is often influenced by feelings about national parties more than local issues.

    So LibDems are likely to do badly because 'people don't like Nick Clegg' more than they have a view on how the coalition has been running Edinburgh.

    Likewise the SNP will probably win/retain seats based on performance at Holyrood more than that in the City Chambers coalition.

    All parties have core supporters who wouldn't vote for anyone else - though they don't always turn out to vote. Labour is bound to win seats - probably two in certain wards. There are people who won't vote Labour (again) because of things it did or didn't do last time it was in charge of the council in Edinburgh - and/or because of Blair/Brown.

    But such people will be a minority. Whether the document above and six months of organised listened and PR will make a difference at the ballot box remains to be seen.

    Even if it produces the 'perfect' manifesto and attracts lots of voters this doesn't guarantee 'delivery'.

    No party is against re-painting white lines and ASL boxes or sensible vegetation management on cycle paths (for instance) but none have managed to get it done adequately in the last ten years.

    (At least there is to be a committee report on ASLs this month.)

    In spite of UK and Scottish popularity I expect the Tories to get a similar number of seats as they have now. The Greens will probably get three again - with one new face.

    So expect the same sort of people to be elected next May with good intentions but with more problems and less money to spend.

    There is little chance of one party getting an overall majority. At this stage it's difficult to guess which party will get most seats. So another coalition is almost inevitable.

    The chances of another LibDem/SNP one are close to nil - unless they both have different leaders.

    Unless there are two parties whose votes combined are a majority AND they can work together, a formal coalition may not happen.

    At this point it's a question of agreeing on policies.

    All parties say they are in favour of encouraging walking and cycling - though 'we' might not be impressed with the effectiveness in practice.

    I'm sure there will be plenty of people who take Nelly's view of voting based on what councillors/candidates say/do rather than party labels.

    Many people will be emailing candidates and analysing replies (if they get any...)

    It's probably worth engaging with Labour's new initiative to increase the number of walk/cycle/greenspace/shoplocal/qualityoflife policies in their final manifesto - and encourage other parties to copy them.

    Then it's just a case of making sure that whoever gets elected implements them!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. "I'm sure there will be plenty of people who take Nelly's view of voting based on what councillors/candidates say/do rather than party labels."

    The problem is these days that there seem to be less and less politicians who are willing to step outside the bounds of the party line. Or at least it seems that way.

    Though if anything I think council votes are almost more important than general elections, if looked at from the 'direct effect on your life' point of view. The council fashions and moulds how the place you live in functions.

    As pointed out, all parties say they're pro-walking and cycling. It's easy at governmental level to say that and sweep it under the carpet afterwards. On a local level it becomes very very obvious if you're not fulfilling your pledge.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. SRD
    Moderator

    Best reply I have gotten to various contacts about cycling, trains etc in past 2 years came from Neil Findlay (MSP Labour,. Lothians, and West Lothian Council)

    "I am a keen cyclist and public transport user and want to see these methods of travel greatly improved."

    Would be nice to get some Edinburgh councillors who can say that (and follow through).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. steveo
    Member

    "I'm pretty sure I'm going to vote for whoever is most likely to defeat the incumbent, regardless of their party. "

    I'm with Dave.

    Usually I don't like this style of voting but if some one can tell me what muppets are currently in charge and who would be best place to get rid of them I'd even vote Tory...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. SRD
    Moderator

    Steveo - that sounds a lot like what people (including me) were saying at the last general election...and look where it got us....

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. *shudder*

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. steveo
    Member

    that sounds a lot like what people (including me) were saying at the last general election...and look where it got us....

    Good point, well made...

    But still the level of incompetence displayed by the current council members can not be rewarded with another term, surely?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    "I'd even vote Tory"

    I suspect you are not alone.

    But with multi-member wards and PR it's not so simple!

    There is a well known saying 'it doesn't matter who you voted for the Government got it.)

    BUT there will be people 'in charge' even if no-one voted.

    If people believe in democracy - if they vote they probably believe in the idea of it - then it would be better if councillors were more in charge.

    At present the most 'in charge' person is the new Chief Executive - not elected.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  12. steveo
    Member

    I must admit i'm not terribly well versed in the structure and (mal)function of the council systems. I doubt I'm alone but I should really rectify that.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

  14. chdot
    Admin

    "Though if anything I think council votes are almost more important than general elections, if looked at from the 'direct effect on your life' point of view. The council fashions and moulds how the place you live in functions."

    I think that is a reasonable view, which tends not to be shared by the electorate (not just Edinburgh).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  15. Dave
    Member

    *political opinion warning*

    The alternative to voting against the incumbents is to try and choose a party you agree with. But in that case we have:

    Tories - the "nasty" party
    Libdems - the party who renege on all their commitments
    Labour - the party of waste
    SNP - previously the favoured "anti-incumbent" vote, but have turned out to be as fiscally imprudent as labour, as reneging as the libdems, and as nasty as the tories (only they're against the union as well).
    Greens - the party that don't make a difference.

    So that's a nonstarter.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    Not forgetting -

    "
    Hacker: Don't tell me about the press. I know exactly who reads the papers: the Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by people who actually do run the country; the Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country; the Financial Times is read by people who own the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
    "

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Minister

    Other variations are available.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Labour’s plan to formally consult on its “Moving Edinburgh Forward” ideas is thought to be the first time an Edinburgh political group has done so ahead of publishing a manifesto.

    Cllr Burns said: “For far too long, councils have done things to communities, rather than for communities or with communities.”
    "

    http://www.scotsman.com/edinburgh-evening-news/edinburgh/around-the-capital/labour_plans_tourist_tax_if_returned_to_power_in_city_1_1946096

    Posted 13 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    As I said above - "At present the most 'in charge' person is the new Chief Executive - not elected."

    Today's Scotsman -

    "There are calls for Sue Bruce, the new chief executive of Edinburgh City Council, to be given more authority after impressing in her first ten months in the job."

    http://www.scotsman.com/the-scotsman/transport/edinburgh_city_that_lost_its_way_for_want_of_leadership_1_1954756

    Posted 13 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    Labour Manifesto has been revised after consultation exercise.

    It's presented as a series of short web pages. I think this is only mention of cycling -

    "
    In the meantime we’ll pay attention to the everyday things – bringing pavements to a good standard especially in busy areas, controlling the work standards of the utilities who dig up our roads, improving times and routes on our buses, encouraging more walking and more cycling and extending 20mph limits in residential and shopping areas. Most important, we’ll put some common sense back into the transport department.

    "

    http://www.edinburghlabour.com/p/manifesto-2012-labour-wants-our-city-to_6264.html?m=1

    Posted 13 years ago #

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