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  1. SRD
    Moderator

    Cycling down Gilmore place today, taking my time. Male cyclist - ridgeback, hiviz, etc -- turns right at bottom of Merchiston Ave and is in front of me but stops at Viewforth lights in the gutter. So I take the center of the AS zone, just as the lights turn, so I get in front of him.

    As we approach Lower Gilmore place, a fire engine with lights and sirens approaches and turns down LG place in front of me. Seeing two more engines approaching, I pull over and stop a few metres short of the turn. Bloke passes me, keeps going, slowing just enough to let the engines turn. Then goes on to wait at red light at Leven st. I am pootling because of red light ahead. Another male cyclist overtakes me - old coop bike, pannier, new red endura top, jeans, soft cap (odd mix of kit, but not a novice). We all end up sitting in AS zone. First bloke turns left. Lights change, second guy turns right, across traffic that has right of way. I wait for 2 cars, then turn right. He's in sight all the way down Valleyfield, then I catch up as the lights go green at toucan crossing. Police car and other vehicles stopped for us. He crosses, then pulls up onto Melville drive pavement!!!

    My conclusion - none of their moves were dangerous, but based on this small sample, male cyclists ride just like car drivers!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. alibali
    Member

    In what way?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Uberuce
    Member

    At least it's not like a taxi driver.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. SRD
    Moderator

    Gratuitous overtaking? Not stopping for emergency vehicles. Turning across traffic with right of way? (saved him 2 seconds?).

    And why did that guy feel the need to cycle on the pavement on Melville drive? he was clearly no nervous novice, or he wouldn't have tried to beat the oncoming traffic in the Leven st intersection (I bet he was heading to the bike coop sale...)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. Want a brush with that big pot of tar?

    I thought better of you than gratituitous stereotyping it has to be said (unless it was a post that was deliberately intended to be bitten on, but it does read like you're suggesting all men are impatient and dangerous cyclists and drivers).

    "Not stopping for emergency vehicles"

    "... slowing just enough to let the engines turn"

    So he didn't impede the emergency vehicles? Just didn't come to a full stop?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. SRD
    Moderator

    Subject line intentionally gratuitous! And sexist (as I tried to imply late on...). Still, I am sure they cycled differently around me because they saw me as 'female on silly bike'. (can't let her get ahead...).

    We've discussed the emergency vehicle thing before. If I was driving a big old fire engine, with another one right behind me, and trying to make a very tight turn down a narrow road, I would rather have oncoming traffic coming to a 'full and complete stop' rather than having to guess that he was 'probably' going to stop and let the engine turn. I think wobbling slowly into the path of an advancing engine heading is foolhardy and stupid, as well as unnecessary. What time did he save? a few more seconds sat at the red light up ahead.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. Greenroofer
    Member

    @SRD - did they cycle differently around you, or what it that they just cycled differently? In other words, were they showing off or just being male?

    What I'm seeing in this story is a fundamental difference between the male and female approach to life. <stereotype> Men take risks, women don't </stereotype>. I'm also seeing it link to the fact that a worrying number of women on bikes are being hurt by lorries.

    I'd say that men are naturally more assertive/agressive riders than women. In situations where women back off, men charge ahead. Sometimes, as a result, women end up in dangerous situations beside trucks or whatever.

    This is avoidable with appropriate training/experience. People of both sexes can benefit from learning to be appropriately assertive on our bikes: knowing when to take primary and when not to run a red light, for example.

    Sounds to me like they were just being male... :-)

    (Editor's note. For the avoidance of doubt, I recognise that (for the sake of brevity) I've made some generalisations above. I acknowledge immediately that not all men are whatever, nor are all women whatever else.)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. SRD
    Moderator

    Ironically, I was the one who 'took primary' but I was not cycling 'as fast as I could go', except the one section from Viewforth to LG when I was not hurrying, just keeping a decent speed and cyclist was well behind me (could see him in mirror). But approaching both reds (Viewforth and Leven st) I did not rush...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    "approaching both reds (Viewforth and Leven st) I did not rush..."

    Perhaps you are wiser/more experienced.

    (Not gender specific.)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. SRD
    Moderator

    yes, quite right. gendering entirely in my head...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. I saw two cyclists in blue jumpers last night, one jumped a red, the other was riding on the pavement. I can only assume from this (admittedly small) sample that people in blue jumpers cycles the the same way as people in blue cars drive... ;)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. crowriver
    Member

    I favour a green jumper myself. Of course, as everyone knows, cyclists in green jumpers always obey the Highway Code, are considerate of other road users and never make aggressive or competitive moves towards fellow cyclists. It is a points competition, after all!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I'm Malecyclicus.

    There was some sort of weird Twitter trend a month or so back with people arguing they were either "I'm not a cyclist, I'm riding a bike" and others counter-arguing that they were indeed "cyclists".

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. The 'people riding bikes' thing comes from Copenhagenize I think. Of course a wee while back POB (Person on a Bike) was used as a derogatory term to denote someone who wasn't really a cyclist but gave the rest of us a bad name. I preferred 'Neds on Bikes' for a much more apt acronym.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I must confess I called someone a Teenager In Trouble (ahem!) yesterday for cycling wrong way down cycle lane towards me at the (relatively) new Fountainbridge / Gardner's Crescent road junction outside Cargo. Cant quite work out what he was trying to achieve, perhaps just a lazy way to cross the road?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. ruggtomcat
    Member

    aggressive people ride aggressively? well, meh, gender bias exists. So do silly cyclists..

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. Morningsider
    Member

    SRD - I'm torn between agreeing with you, laughing at the tongue in cheek end to your first post or suggesting you be sent to the naughty step for "outrageous sexism" - on balance though, I'm going with the laughing.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. ruggtomcat
    Member

    +1

    tho don't go all Jeremy Clarkson on us...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. SRD
    Moderator

    morningsider & ruggtomcat - thanks for taking as intended. everyone else - sorry for annoyance / offence. I did inadvertently catch the end of the Topgear special....maybe its more insidious and catching than we think

    Posted 12 years ago #

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