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  • Started 13 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
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  1. Interesting view from the BBC report from one of the big gadget gatherings of the US.

    Headed 'Perhaps a bit more practical is...' before going on to explain the app which warns of speed traps. The PR Director of the company that developed the app was quoted as saying, "Now before you even leave your driveway you can know the best route to take" which basically amounts to an admission that people would choose routes where there are no cameras, presumably be cause they will/want to break the speed limit.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I thought most cars had those already? You know, the big dial in the centre of the dashboard that says how fast you are going, so you always and easily make sure you are driving below the speed limit*?

    * that's the number, in miles per hour, that the authorities put up on prominent signs at the side of the road to tell you what speed you are not allowed to exceed. It is not actually a speed that you must aim to maintain, or some friendly advice that tells you what the minimum speed below which it is antisocial to drive at is. When the big sign points to 30, and the little dial points to 29, you're good. You get the idea. It's not difficult.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Remember though, kaputnik, that car speedometers* are legally required to over-read, thus encourage conservative driving. So when you know, by way of GPS testing and stopwatches and 100-metre markers on the motorway, that your car is actually doing 64mph when the little dial points to 70, you can happily go a bit faster because you can!

    * Could there be a better name for it? :)

    I've often said this to other drivers, that speed limits are not speed targets.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. Instography
    Member

    But the official explanation of speed cameras (or safety cameras as they tried to rename them) was not actually to catch people speeding but to deter them from speeding at accident blackspots. In that sense, apps that let people know well in advance where there are cameras are a good thing. And apps that route them away from accident blackspots are just as good.

    From my wee bits of research with naughty drivers, what the requirement to over-read does is contribute to the notion that there is a game being played between drivers and enforcement. The game involves a speed zone around a notional 'limit' within which speeds are more or less compliant. The zone starts at that shade under the limit where the speedometer points at a number but where real speed is a little less. The zone ends at the point above the limit at which some enforcement mechanism might take effect - where a camera might flash or a police officer in a car might bat an eyelid. That there is a margin above the 'limit' that attracts no attention means that the limit doesn't function to demarcate 'safe' and 'unsafe'.

    For instance most people know that a camera won't flash until you're well over 30mph (it used to be 42mph but I think it was progressively brought closer to 35mph - the famous 10% + 2mph). On a motorway, you can pass a police car at up to 80mph and there's little chance of them doing anything.

    What all this does is create a perception that 30mph or 50mph or 70mph is a sort of advisory average that you should be somewhere around.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. "In that sense, apps that let people know well in advance where there are cameras are a good thing. And apps that route them away from accident blackspots are just as good"

    I'd agree with that, I just find it odd (scratch that, it's not surprising at all) that the BBC can describe an app that aids those who want to break the law without being caught as 'practical' (as I'm fairly certain they don't mean practical in the sense of keeping cars away from blackspots).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. Instography
    Member

    I think by practical they mean 'real world useful' as opposed to the "Tomorrow's World technology looking for a purpose" tech and vapourware that clutters tech shows like CES.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. wingpig
    Member

    The next logical step for that sort of application would be to provide real-life road-speed journey-time-calculation route planning, using the speeds of which a particular driver/car combination is capable of driving at safely because they know they're a good driver and they can handle a car and they drive to the conditions and the road and traffic flow and to stop their gearbox exploding by being forced to drive at under 30mph in town. Instead of blindly assuming that speed is limited to the limit set according to law and traffic signage such a utility would only limit the expected travel speed of a particular bit of a route to the legal limit if there was a camera situated there, otherwise assuming that 30mph means somewhere under 40mph, 40mph means not quite 60mph, 50mph means 60mph really it's just a sop to people who live on the outskirts who daren't accelerate out of their driveways quickly enough to join traffic without causing it to brake and 70mph means whatever the car is capable of, perhaps minus a couple of mph if it's raining and there's a big scaredycat in the passenger seat.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. alibali
    Member

    How about a phone app that records the speed of a vehicle and it's registration number as it passes? That would redress the balance a bit.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. cb
    Member

    "And apps that route them away from accident blackspots are just as good."

    I don't think that would be a good thing. In fact, in almost every case I can think of it would be a terrible thing (e.g. increasing traffic on back roads, thorugh villages, etc.)

    "it used to be 42mph"

    I understand that the ones in Edinburgh in 30 zones were originally set at 52. That probably didn't last very long (if it were even true).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    How about something that doesn't encourage drivers to distract themselves with smartphones in their cars? Anyone whose ever been nearly taken out by a dozy taxi / minicab driver pulling away from parked while playing with their GPS must surely agree with me.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. alibali
    Member

    I agree, cb. Accident black spots (and congestion) aware sat-navs push traffic on to roads that are often less suitable and even more dangerous but just haven't accumulated fatalities yet.

    Take Craiglockhart Road, for example. It's meant to be a cycle route feeding 75 and a safer route to school for Oxgangs and Firrhill but it's not really safe for those purposes thanks to fast through traffic avoiding the lights at the top of Craiglockhart Avenue, using their sat-navs to weave through the scheme.

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  12. splitshift
    Member

    said it before, traffic cop friend of mine said frequently, people dont get done for speeding, they get done for being stupid ! Cameras are high vis, cars are high vis, officers are high vis, the static cameras dont move and the mobiles are general;ly in the same places, the local newspapers even have details of where they are going to be, the interweb has real time updates but STILL the numpties speed !
    I was flashed recently on the A90,I was doing 49mph and the limit for my vehicle was 50! Someone told me they flash every so often to re calibrate themselves ????
    Apps to record routes and speeds etc ......................tachograph records most and trackers, ensure i dont go my grannies for tea on the company time, quite rightly, so all the technology exists anyway, its about money ! speeders pay for ..............not sure yet but not cycle routes or pothole repair !
    cynical me ! never !
    scott

    Posted 13 years ago #
  13. slowcoach
    Member

    Publicising the exact site of speed cameras only came about after years of successfully operating to earlier advice: "it is not advisable to identify specific sites at which the cameras will be in operation as this would tend to reduce the overall deterrent effect" and "The signs are not intended to identify individual sites as that would restrict the effect of the cameras to those sites." (DoT Circular Roads 1/92)

    The decision to make cameras highly conspicuous was only taken after campaigns from speeders who said it was unfair to catch them breaking the law without warning them where it would happen.

    Re flashing at 49mph when the limit for the vehicle is 50mph - old-style Gatso cameras can't tell the difference between a big van restricted to 50mph and a lorry restricted to 40mph. The pictures always have to be checked by an operator later to see if a vehicle was speeding or not.

    Most of the fines paid by speeders pay for the enforcement operation - it was never intended to raise extra money to pay for other things. The main benefit isn't the income but the accident savings.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    The decision to make cameras highly conspicuous was only taken after campaigns from speeders who said it was unfair to catch them breaking the law without warning them where it would happen.

    The poor dears. Just goes to show how the system is in thrall to selfish drivers.

    Posted 13 years ago #

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