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How Trendy Are You?

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  • Started 14 years ago by Wilmington's Cow
  • Latest reply from wee folding bike

  1. I started thinking about this after comments on the 'Real Bike' thread about fixed riding having become trendy. It certainly has, and it's the one problem I have with riding fixed.

    I've not been doing it too long, about 4 or 5 years? Basically it coincides with me starting citycycling and finding out about it and giving it a go to do an article. That was a skip-rescued bike, and now I commute virtually every day fixed. I feel fitter for it, and having had serious knee trouble (I've got a reconstructed cruciate after a football injury) I find fixed helps HUGELY.

    As was also pointed out on the thread, nothing is for EVERYONE and it's simply a case of finding what works for you.

    But here I am, a fixed rider at a time when fixed is the height of cool (although I've got wide moustache bars rather than teeny straight bars, and I've got a front brake).

    And then I started thinking about other things. I've got an iMac (brilliant for dealing with images and videos and compared to the first few years of citycycling on a PC it's a breeze for web stuff); an iPhone (which has been a boon for keeping the site running when I'm not at the home computer); drive a Mini (I love the look, and even more so the way it drives - it's my second one); keep chickens in the back garden (well... fresh eggs, need I say more?); and we even grow a hell of a lot of our own, which appears to be becoming trendy again as well.

    I was never one for trends, or for displaying logos and the like, and I'm still not. Every one of the 'trends' I've inadvertently followed has had reasoning behind it that goes far beyond what other people think. But the problem is, people DO think that. Maybe I should get the gears back out; drive a Focus; get a Dell; eat the chickens; pave the garden; and get a Nokia.

    Or maybe I can just be happy at being me... Which just happens to be trendy at the mo... ;)

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  2. wee folding bike
    Member

    Fixed I did years ago.

    Three Bromptons one of which is an S2L-X.

    Two bikes and one trike with Campag groupos but I don't use them much anymore.

    No Dutch bike yet.

    Been using Macs on and off since '88. Bought my first one, LCIII, in '93. Before we moved house there were quite a few in the garage. Now I think there might only be a dozen or so one of which is an SE/30 and another is the black TV tuner one box model. In the house I use a 24" iMac and in school I use a MacBook in preference to the supplied HP Win XP machine. Mostly that's so I can use Keynote on two screens instead of OpenOffice Impress or PowerPoint. Even my kids have the old G4 iMac in their room.

    There are two Volvo 940s in the drive, only one works. Outside my my mum's house I have a 1971 VW 1600TE fastback. It usually had the Shaft soundtrack in the CD player. It hasn't moved in nearly 10 years.

    I like Brompton matte black paint but I'm listening to Just a Minute... not sure if that's trendy yet.

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  3. Kim
    Member

    Me? No!

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  4. Min
    Member

    I read somewhere that steel bikes are coming back in to fashion so I may end up being trendy by accident too. :-(

    Otherwise no. I don't even have an ipod.

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  5. miggy_magic
    Member

    "Maybe I should get the gears back out; drive a Focus; get a Dell; eat the chickens; pave the garden; and get a Nokia"

    Oh my god - that's me!!! Apart from the paving the garden bit (I have no garden but if I did I'd pave the b**).

    I used to [try to] be trendy when I was a lad but now in my mid-to-late thirties, I kind of revel in being not trendy, and finally being comfortable in myself is worth more than trying to please one's peers.

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  6. SRD
    Moderator

    I do have a Dell (and an ASUS) and have NEVER found macs user friendly. I did like my apple 2+, but nothing since then has done anything for me. In fact they drive me crazy whenever I have to use them. But then, I have an un-trendy bike too!

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  7. Stepdoh
    Member

    Hmm, i've got a 5 year old xp toshiba laptop, ride something just on the right side of BSO-ville, and have a nokia rockin' my pocket so probably not trendy by any stretch.

    Would love an iphone, but current plans to b** off to NZ puts a kibosh on any lengthy phone plans and it's rather expensive once I get there. Harumph!

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  8. chdot
    Admin

    trendy?

    "adjective
    1.
    of, in, or pertaining to the latest trend or style.
    2.
    following the latest trends or fashions; up-to-date or chic"

    fashion?

    "noun
    1.
    a prevailing custom or style of dress, etiquette, socializing, etc.: the latest fashion in dresses.
    2.
    conventional usage in dress, manners, etc., esp. of polite society, or conformity to it: the dictates of fashion; to be out of fashion.
    6.
    Obsolete. workmanship.
    7.
    Obsolete. act or process of making."

    Interestingly both imply adhering to a norm - novelty is perhaps implicit when people think they are trendy. (The "obsolete' definitions are instructive - fashioning things is apparently old fashioned.)

    Some of the examples above are in the 'think different' category ("Think Different" © Apple (?)). So on one hand they are the 'height of cool' (another concept), on the other (some) people don't want them to become 'trendy'.

    Personally I set trends so far in advance that I'm doing something else when they become fashionable (or probably not).

    Ah, but that's a different issue - setting trends. As you will all be aware, someone - somewhere - has already decided next year's colours/trends (thinking mostly clothing fashion - but clearly that influences other things too.)

    So there are whole areas about 'human nature' - being different, fitting in, being manipulated - by advertising, PR, forum opinions, focus groups etc. etc.

    So keeping away from computer, car, camera etc. brands (and the realities - or otherwise - of the actual products) and talking bikes -

    As someone who doesn't ride fixed (or generally single-speed) I have watched the trend (which is presumably where trendy comes from!) with interest/amusement/bemusement.

    I first came across it as a 'trend' (as opposed to track riders and a friend who rode a fixed machine as an anti-theft device - thief steals bike, rides away, tries to stop, falls off, abandons bike near by...) about 10 years ago in Boston. Fixed/singlespeed was the choice of cycle couriers/messengers.

    One gear was more reliable than many. One brake (or even none!) was lighter and meant less to go wrong. CCs being (predominantly) self employed didn't earn if their bike was 'in the 'shop'.

    Boston like NY and London - cities with lots of CCs - are reasonably flat - certainly in the business districts. There was a time when 'real' CCs were quite hostile to "fakengers" - people on 'courier bikes' with 'courier bags'.

    But broadband has done away with large sections of the courier market - and therefore couriers. There will come a time when young people (we are of course talking about youth trends here) will not connect fashionable/trendy bikes with their 'working origin' - oh, that time is here.

    (This is turning into an essay, if you're at work, save it 'til later...)

    Of course I've had 'courier bags' for years (at least 30). One of the first was bought in (I think) Campus in the Grassmarket - a fashion shop for women. Clearly large, black, canvas bags weren't fashionable (and certainly not trendy) as it was in the sale. It was made by Marimekko in the land of Nokia - it's still fashionable to make stuff in some places. They still make bags - but no longer suit my taste/function.

    I moved on to Timbuk2 about 20 years ago (Still have my original - plus 2 more). I hear they've become fashionable, perhaps even trendy - there's even a Flickr group.

    Back to bikes.

    "I read somewhere that steel bikes are coming back in to fashion so I may end up being trendy by accident too" (© min)

    This is of course another interesting one. Like many people on here I've never abandoned steel). I do have a couple of bikes that happen to have frames made of aluminium, but I doubt I'll ever go carbon.

    I still (periodically) search ebay for some classic (cheap) 531.

    There's always been a lot of fashion surrounding bikes - right from the days when they were a plaything for the rich - through various fashions/crazes (there's another word) for Choppers and '10 speed racers' and BMX. ALL of those have been greeted as 'the end of cycling' or 'the future of cycling'...

    In the UK the tradition (traditional can be fashionable - ask Pashley) has been for steel and lugged frames. The lugs are the bits that hold the main tubes together (with the help of a tiny amount of brass - by brazing). It requires skill to do it well which in turn breeds mystiques.

    The biggest (cycling) revolution of the last thirty years has been 'mountain' bikes. These emerged pretty much by chance when some crazy Californians re-fashioned some very basic bikes. By chance these mostly had welded frames without lugs.

    There are endless arguments about the merits of steel and aluminium - which I won't go into...

    However one side-effect of the MTB revolution/trend was a change in steel 'fashion'. Reynolds 531 and other high end tubesets were developed over many years and are steel alloys with manganese and molybdenum. These are not suitable for lugless welding.

    To make the mass production of MTBs possible, alloys with chrome and molybdenum were used - hence cromoly or Cro-Moly or CRMO became the 'must have'. Unlike 531, which not only signified manufacturer (brand) and quality, cromoly was generic and could be just about any quality (and importantly thickness/weight) of tube!

    Necessity required CRMO, marketing made it fashionable!

    Of course many trends/fashions come from America. Will this one come to the UK?

    I occasionally think there are too many people riding bikes these days, so it's time to get a car. But having spent a few days in London where bikes really are visible/fashionably/trendy I'm looking forward to a mass increase in Edinburgh.

    Fashion/trendyness will get some people cycling (and perhaps put a few off) but it's the usual mix of better 'facilities' and a serious change of attitude by politicians and transport/health/education/etc. 'officials' that will make it happen.

    What was the question?

    Oh "How Trendy Are You?"

    Dunno.

    Trendsetter, trendavoider, trenddenier, trendless.

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  9. recombodna
    Member

    All this really only matters if you care what people think about you.......I couldn't care less! I do ride a fixed gear bike and if anyone thinks I'm trendy then big whoops They can get their cheapies if they want wahoo. I can't afford a mini an iphone and all that stuff but if I could boy i'd have the lot. Anth you're clearly trendy and worried what people will think........get over it man....slap..slap!! but if yer growing yer own I'll take a Half Q of ye when yer harvest is ready!!!

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  10. recombodna
    Member

    Oh by the way ;-) ;-) ;-)

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  11. chdot
    Admin

    "Oh by the way ;-) ;-) ;-)"

    Someone's as happy as anth -

    "Or maybe I can just be happy at being me... Which just happens to be trendy at the mo... ;)"

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  12. recombodna
    Member

    I'll never be as happy as Anth!

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  13. Hey trust me, I've never worried that much about what people think of me - if I did this profession I'm in would have beaten me down by now!

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  14. recombodna
    Member

    Yeah man just 'avin a laugh. I built my fixed gear bike up from a skip find frame too. It's my fave bike.

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  15. My skip bike died - it really was a cheap and nasty thing, and really it was too small for me, but I loved it!

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  16. Min
    Member

    Anth, having had another look at the video on the RIE path thread I often see you on the way to work and you are definately trendy. Ha!

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  17. gembo
    Member

    As the great Wayne Coyne of The Flaming Lips (a very trendy band virtually identical to ELO a VERY VERY untrendy band) once said - there's no virtue in always being cool

    A fixy is fine if you have a flat commute or are very fit. It is also a quite low maintennance vehicle. It became very uncool when deraillers were invented but what goes around comes around. I once tried in vain to persuade a somewhat large south african not to buy a fixed wheel bike, he just liked the look.

    Macs used to be very slow, now they are quite quick.

    Capitalism works on your unconscious being as well as your conscious being.

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  18. wee folding bike
    Member

    Are the Move trendy? The Move must be trendy because I was listening to them today.

    If they are then does that meant that Jeff Lynn is the source of untrendyness?

    What about Violinski?

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  19. spytfyre
    Member

    I am so un-trendy it is painful for passers by to see, sometimes they point and laugh, most of the time though they simply avert their eyes or vomit copiously.
    I go with what is cheap, I cycle to get to work and back home with as little cost as possible

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  20. Ooh, whereabouts do you see me Min? Say hi!!!

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  21. Kirst
    Member

    On a scale of one to ten of trendiness, I doubt I'd even make it to one.

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  22. Min
    Member

    Normally on or around the Innocent. I will. :-)

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  23. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I suppose one is seen by others as 'trendy' if one's habits match prevailing fashion, whether by intent or not. Trendiness and coolness are terms that must surely be immediately negated when applied to oneself. Does the corollary of this argument also hold, or only if the statement is genuinely made?

    I'd like to say I've never been out of fashion because I've never really been in fashion. I don't own a fixie, pink/black stripey tights, or a U-lock holster, though I sometimes use a Timbuk2 bag on the occasions I'm not riding my deviant bikes which are deeply uncool and untrendy anyway. I use a Mac, but I'm otherwise happily iGadgetless. I listen to Gentle Giant for crying out loud.

    Edit: Just occurred to me that all this "I'm so achingly untrendy!" is almost as bad. :-)

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  24. RJ
    Member

    What is this trendiness of which you all speak? ;)

    Posted 14 years ago #
  25. Stepdoh
    Member

    I'm 1/16th as Trendy as Wendy, although I once romped victorious at her pub quiz at the Street and won a crate of Magners.

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  26. LaidBack
    Member

    chdot I occasionally think there are too many people riding bikes these days, so it's time to get a car.

    Did you really write that? If you did have a car what would you own though?
    Mind you parking permits are coming down to a mere £15 so now's the time!

    On the trend thing ... much easier (wrongly?) pigeonholing car drivers for trend / aspiration etc. We have a whole industry devoted to re-enforcing this. I watch with interest the fashion for retro Fiat cinquecentis, RAV4s, Patriot jeeps etc.
    With 'scrappage' we've never had a newer car population. People are indulging themselves I reckon.

    Are Humvees (3/4 shorts) still in this year... I hope so.

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  27. chdot
    Admin

    "CHdot I occasionally think there are too many people riding bikes these days, so it's time to get a car.

    Did you really write that? "

    Er yes i DID write that

    If you did have a car what would you own though?

    Not gonna happen.

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  28. LaidBack
    Member

    Think rest of the 'article' was very interesting though.

    I had a shot of a 'trendy' folder when I was down in York visiting Velo Vision.

    Bike called 'Big Fish'. Was quite small though. I found it tricky as it had a coaster brake.

    'Big Fish' is selling in London and has a certain retro flavour to it's design.

    Read the review in the new Velo Vision out soon (Ad!)

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  29. TwoWheels
    Member

    I'm so far ahead of the trend curve that I'm actually behind it. Errr....what's a fixie?

    Posted 14 years ago #
  30. Kirst
    Member

    I stopped to chat to anth on the way home last night and can confirm that he is trendy in cyclists' terms. :-)

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