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Zazoo coffee 17/2/12

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  • Started 12 years ago by Min
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  • poll: Can you make it?
    No, it is too far out of my way : (5 votes)
    23 %
    No, not on this occasion but maybe another time : (9 votes)
    41 %
    Yes, this is good for me : (8 votes)
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  1. recombodna
    Member

    As an Anarchist I can only drink Herbal tea ........... because Proper tea is theft!!!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. Its_Me_Knees
    Member

    @recombodna: I fear your appalling punnery has put back the cause of tea drinking a thousand years...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Uberuce
    Member

    Pretty sure that's Marxism, not anarchism.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. recombodna
    Member

    Property is theft! (French: La propriété, c'est le vol!) is a slogan coined by French anarchist Pierre-Joseph Proudhon in his 1840 book What is Property? Or, an Inquiry into the Principle of Right and of Government.
    If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required . . . Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!, without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?
    —Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What is Property?[I]
    By "property," Proudhon referred to the concept originated in Roman law of the sovereign right of property—the right of the proprietor to do with his property as he pleases, "to use and abuse," so long as in the end he submits to state-sanctioned title, and he contrasted the supposed right of property with the rights (which he considered valid) of liberty, equality, and security.
    In the Confessions d'un revolutionnaire Proudhon further explained his use of this phrase:[1]
    In my first memorandum, in a frontal assault upon the established order, I said things like, Property is theft! The intention was to lodge a protest, to highlight, so to speak, the inanity of our institutions. At the time, that was my sole concern. Also, in the memorandum in which I demonstrated that startling proposition using simple arithmetic, I took care to speak out against any communist conclusion. In the System of Economic Contradictions, having recalled and confirmed my initial formula, I added another quite contrary one rooted in considerations of quite another order—a formula that could neither destroy the first proposition nor be demolished by it: Property is freedom. [...] In respect of property, as of all economic factors, harm and abuse cannot be dissevered from the good, any more than debit can from asset in double-entry book-keeping. The one necessarily spawns the other. To seek to do away with the abuses of property, is to destroy the thing itself; just as the striking of a debit from an account is tantamount to striking it from the credit record.

    Karl Marx, although initially favourable to Proudhon's work, later criticised, among other things, the expression "property is theft" as self-refuting and unnecessarily confusing, writing that "... 'theft' as a forcible violation of property presupposes the existence of property..." and condemning Proudhon for entangling himself in "all sorts of fantasies, obscure even to himself, about true bourgeois property."

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    I have been running that joke as marxist for years - all property [proper tea] is theft

    knew Marx liked then fell out with Proudhon but just shows you how quotes become attributed wrongly

    Bertrand Escoffier who is a great French baker/chef ran a tea house on the royal mile - it closed down. Now a Turkish restaurant - across from White Horse Tavern [now trendy]

    There is a tea house on Frederick St where the posh frock shop Droopy and Brown used to be [hadn't closed last time I looked]. I like tea but I loike coffee, how can I decide? I know ... FIGHT, FIGHT,FIGHT (Harry Hill)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. wingpig
    Member

    There was Tea Tree Tea on Bread St, but it is now gone. Eteaket is OK bit a bit looks-conscious. Don't know what Metropole is like tea-wise since it changed hands but I don't think it had done leafy tea for a while.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. Uberuce
    Member

    *rubs his bottom after quote spanking*

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. Roibeard
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    One of my favourite singers, sadly with a career cut short for medical reasons...

    Perhaps not her best work, but Sam's always worth a listen!

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. Nelly
    Member

    ruggtomcat- you are bang on about the number of coffee houses, especially round my way (see my post earlier in the thread) - I was discussing this with my wife last night, and she corrected me, there are 10 within a few minutes walk of our house - and if The Institue now counts as a coffee house - thats 11 - as I didnt count it!!

    And we thought there were a lot of bike shops in the area?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. kaputnik
    Moderator

    Arty new place on Roseneath Street, "The Institute" (all white walls, sanded wood surfaces and big photographic prints) seems to have a bit of a high-class tea thing going on.

    They have that thing that isn't tea, whose name escapes me, that Amir mentioned his wife likes.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. Arellcat
    Moderator

    They have that thing that isn't tea, whose name escapes me, that Amir mentioned his wife likes.

    Water? :>

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. steveo
    Member

    Wine?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. Gin!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. SRD
    Moderator

    "[proper tea] is theft" Favourite quote of a Marxist Zimbabwean friend of mine. Helps that he was raised a Mormon...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. ruggtomcat
    Member

    As I said before the break, the institute is no longer a tea house. is a coffee stop.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. recombodna
    Member

    @roibeard Sam brown is great such a shame she had to give it all up. Have you heard Homespun the band she did with Dave Rotheray form the beautiful south? Great stuff. I did the drumming on Daves last album and Sam was supposed to do some tracks but unfortunately she couldn't make it because of her throat so I never got to hang out with her.... ;-(

    But you can't have tea without toast... http://youtu.be/WJmKStqugMc

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. Roibeard
    Member

    @recombodna - yep I've got some of Homespun's albums. I'm a little bit of a Sam completist, so hopefully my collecting tendencies won't raise their ugly head with bikes...

    Hat tip on the drumming too!

    Fortunately I made most of her last solo tours, so managed to catch her live before her premature hiatus - well worth even the trek to Richmond on one occasion.

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. Its_Me_Knees
    Member

    @recombodna: Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a pre-Q Tips Paul Young fronting Streetband? Daresay I'm Johnny-come-lately to this revelation but had no idea PY started off as a one hit wonder, so to speak.

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  19. recombodna
    Member

    The very same.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. cc
    Member

    There's a lovely little tea house in Clerk Street called Anteaques. It has a great choice of teas and you may find yourself drinking tea out of delicate 18th century porcelain with a gold or silver teaspoon.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. cc
    Member

    Oops, wrong thread, sorry :-) Got hijacked by the inter-thread link thingie...

    Posted 12 years ago #

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