CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
IT’S TRUE!
CCE is 16years old!
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RULES No personal insults. No swearing.
Okay, this is an awful thing to say: "Well Mr Clubman, maybe if you adhered to what most motorcyclists abide by and take some formal road-craft training, you cyclists wouldn't find yourself splattered all over the roads? Charity begins at home they say......"
The suggestion, as well, that motorcyclists are some sort of shining light example on the roads...
Ask the poster why then Lothian & Borders Police have a special education week, this week, trying to stop any more accidents involving motorcyclists.
https://twitter.com/#!/LBP_Police/status/178075845682921474/photo/1
Mainly, because much like bicycles drivers fail to "see" motorbikes.
<grin>
I'm sure the commentator wouldn't even recognise that my children and I were taking primary as a result of training, and would just think we were aggressively "in the road"...
Robert
"...motorcyclists are some sort of shining light example on the roads..."
By temporarily re-wiring my empathy and logic circuits I can estimate that to a driver, a motorcycle is more like a car than a cycle, in that they have registration plates, are subject to some sort of financial levy to be legally permitted to be driven on the public road network, are required to be insured, must subject their vehicle to regular mechanical testings and have been subject to a formal assessment. They've earned their place on the roads in ways which lawless freeloading non-competency-assessed death-trap-riding cyclists have not.
I like the fact that someone thinks ludacris (the rap artiste) is how you spell ludicrous.
Splattered across the roads you say, road-craft, training, motorcyclsits sit 5 tests. Then I'm assuming the Department for Transport must have made some error in their statistics, as they state:
Cyclists killed in the UK in 2010 per billion km cycled: 22.1
Motorcyclists killed in the UK in 2010 per billion km driven: 79.4
Cyclists should be more visible but never, ever congregate en masse as they are a 'minority'.?! My main concern with mass protest is how we bring pedestrians onside too. Many households in the city don't have a car although they may aspire to one. Ideally I'd like the protest to not just replace car might with bike might. Pedsestrian crossings are potential conflict zones on the route. Cars running red lights are not challenged as quite common. The sight of hundreds of cyclist ignoring traffic signals will be the thing that many will pick up on. Does it matter? Well if the objective is to change views and therefore policy - yes.
One thing we tried to get into the manifesto was the idea of really high quality infrastructure removing conflict between cyclists and pedestrians as well as between bikes and cars - too often, the UK idea of a nice 'off road' path is to paint a stripe down a bit of pavement. It may not have entirely come through though. We should definitely make sure we're not stopping pedestrians from crossing, in fact we should be making a point of letting them through if we can manage it. I think also the police advice is that we'll have to stop at traffic lights even at the cost of breaking up the ride, so we'll have a chance to show how disciplined and nice we can be.
"I think also the police advice is that we'll have to stop at traffic lights even at the cost of breaking up the ride"
Normally marches and processions are allowed to stay together.
I believe that even for groups of cyclists they can be counted as 'one vehicle'.
It would be harder to police/marshall if broken up.
And take longer.
Initial response from the police was indeed that we would not be marshalled and would have to abide by the HC. That may change.
Initial response from the police was indeed that we would not be marshalled and would have to abide by the HC. That may change.
Probably depends how many folk turn up. If it's just a few hundred, then no need for police escort, marshals, etc. If there are over a thousand, the procession will take up the length of MMW and fill up most roads it proceeds down. Then I'd say marshals and temporary suspension of traffic signal observation would be safer and less disruptive to motorists, pedestrians, etc.
"Well Mr Clubman, maybe if you adhered to what most motorcyclists abide by and take some formal road-craft training, you cyclists wouldn't find yourself splattered all over the roads? Charity begins at home they say......"
Apart from being a vile hate filled outburst, and indeed smug and self satisfied(!) It also makes the wild assumption that you haven't. A great many of my friends who cycle are also motorcyclists (and drivers) and the vast majority have not only had formal training they have undertaken advanced training. But hey, why let mere facts get in the way of a bigoted broad brush rant (rolls eyes).
The suggestion, as well, that motorcyclists are some sort of shining light example on the roads...
Do you mean 'some motorcyclists', or 'all motorcyclists', Anth? I must not be encountering the same ones. My experience is that most bikers are quite well behaved, even though many seem to take filtering to the same level as many cyclists.
I read the EEN comments to about no.7 and then stopped bothering.
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“We also want those who ride motorcycles to be aware that, if they have not ridden in a few months, their skills may not be as sharp as they were previously and that road surfaces may have changed.
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Surely "motorcyclists" as a group are like "cyclists" as a group - most ride sensibly, aware of their vulnerability, some ride like idiots.
Sally I think also the police advice is that we'll have to stop at traffic lights even at the cost of breaking up the ride, so we'll have a chance to show how disciplined and nice we can be.
The only way to avoid that is to get a police bike or motorbike escort....
I'm happy to assist at junctions - had to do that on rides before. You will get some people though that will just ignore signals as they already do on their daily commute. We had parents do that on the changingpace rides we used to do. These were not 'radical' but people who think it's ok to make up rules as they go along. On school rides we had escort riders who would stay at a junction and actively block people going out till it was safe and legal.
But... if you have a procession of 1000 bikes expect about 200 of them to ignore lights (based on the 1 in 5 rule I and others see on our daily commutes).
Crowriver If there are over a thousand, the procession will take up the length of MMW and fill up most roads it proceeds down. Then I'd say marshals and temporary suspension of traffic signal observation would be safer and less disruptive to motorists, pedestrians, etc.
Yes - agree. Cycling infrastructure can't cope with mass cycling and based on around 4% of road users use.
One of them now appears to be copying comments from here onto there.
well, maybe they'll figure out that we were all merely obeying the instructions of the EEN photographer!
Interesting comparison between our forum and the EEN commenters. We have the occasional wind up going on, the EEN seems almost all wind up merchants. Now it might be the case it is the same wind up merchant with multiple identities.?
"well, maybe they'll figure out that we were all merely obeying the instructions of the EEN photographer!"
Herding cats.
obviously no one except us is actually reading the comments anymore...which should tell us something...
"obviously no one except us is actually can reading"
@winpig, I've encountered that before from 10cc/Incandescent (and various other usernames). He'll now start trawling the internet for snippets about whoever he is attacking and cross posting them onto the EEN site in an attempt to intimidate the object of his upset. (in direct contravention of the site rules).
Last time I noticed him doing it I pointed it out to the moderators and they pulled his posts but it clearly hasn't changed his attitude. (ie rules are for other people in his eyes).
Feels like the script of the departed (which was remake of hong kong movie was it Infernal Affairs?
We have started reading and maybe now posting on the EEN website and the commenters from there are now reading and posting on here?
Tempting fate -
"commenters from there are now reading and posting on here?"
Don't think so.
Interesting, 10cc just magically changed to "Sun Tzu".
Will the excitement never begin...
Deep cover like in the movie The Departed?
Seems that everyone's become Laidback over there. The only rational explanation is that he's been implanting nanotechnological devices into our bloodstreams via PY coffee, and activated them at Zazou, with the bonding process in our neurons only just completing tonight. Incredibly slick, how he engineered that terribly convenient excuse of 'being on a 'barge'' so the coffee was served in cafetieres - devices with wire mesh in them the perfect shape to transmit detailed radio instructions at the low power the '47 nanotech needs. Wake up sheeple!
I think we're watching a nervous breakdown...
(of all the people to become as well...)
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