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Good Bus, Bad Bus.

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  • Started 12 years ago by ARobComp
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  1. ARobComp
    Member

    So two Bus incidents this morning.

    First I saw just after posting a DVD back through Vogue Video's door on Clerk Street. I was walking towards it and the pedestrian crossing (next to Marmaris Kebab shop) was changing to red, a Lothian bus in the bus lane was pulling up when suddenly he started honking his horn loads and loads. Suddenly from the other side of him a big yellow foreign tour bus screeches to a halt, a second later it'd have flattened some poor pedestrians crossing the street. Bus clearly hadn't seen the Red and was going to plow through. So good Awareness Lothian bus driver.

    Second incident I don't think I was in the wrong but perhaps someone could enlighten me.

    Cycling down the bottom part of lothian road. There is the filter lane into rutland square on the left. Stationary traffic in the right hand lane so I'm cycling down the side of the stationary traffic (stationary I assume because of red lights) I am perhaps 10 yards from the turn off to rutland square, a bus is next to me, stationary with a tonne of space to fit through to carry on up and around to princes street. I can't see past the bus so assume it's stopped because there's traffic. As I come up to the front of it I slam on the brakes because the bus is stopped to let a taxi cross into rutland street having just come round from Charlotte Square. TAxi driver gave me some right evils.

    So was I in the wrong?
    IMO - the bus driver should never have waved the taxi driver into what is (I think?) clearly NOT a legal turn.
    There was no chance of a bus turning left and loads of space to get past and ahead.
    BUT I suppose this may count as travelling down the left side of a big vehicle? Thoughts?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. wingpig
    Member

    Right into Rutland Place is usually a legal turn. It's more cramped than usual at the moment due to the various works but I don't recall having seen any extra NO RIGHT TURN signs on the approach from Princes Street. The taxi driver should know that there's another lane to the left of the bus and take appropriate care, but unless there's moving traffic blocking anything from entering from the north when I'm heading along the bus/Rutland Place lane I tread very warily, especially when there are so many pedestrians crossing and taxis pulling away from in front of the Caledonian.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. What wingpig said....

    Thing is, if you'd been turning left into Rutland Square the taxi driver would have been in the same position, would he have given you evils at that point? He didn't know where you were going, and you had priority as you were in the lane and he is effectively turning into it.

    Caution all round is the best thing, and the thing is you were aware of everything going on and didn't cause any incident.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. ARobComp
    Member

    Thanks guys - I thing you've got it right. I hadn't thought about if I'd been going left - quite right there is no way he would not have caused an incident in that situation.

    If I remember rightly the highway code say that you should never flash someone across your front. Or is it that you should never assume it's clear if someone waves you across?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. wingpig
    Member

    Flashing isn't an official means of communication so the Highway Code and any competent driving instructor should advise that it can never be safely assumed to mean anything; even if you flash to mean "I'm going to stop and let you across" the flasher can't guarantee the behaviour of any other vehicle. Don't know if buses and lorries are officially taught to use flashing as inter-vehicle signalling. I often find that my exaggerated head-nods-whilst-assuming-primary to let people in or out of side-roads and openings count for naught when someone behind me can't be bothered to wait a couple of seconds.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. SRD
    Moderator

    "If I remember rightly the highway code say that you should never flash someone across your front. Or is it that you should never assume it's clear if someone waves you across?"

    Don't know what the HC says, but both principles correct. Where i grew up car drivers were particularly bad about this stopping to let people turn/cross and just assuming that drivers behind were paying attention. used to drive my parents crazy!

    I was riding in Brunstfield the other day, when a driver turned across into Montpelier park, and had the grace to look very embarrassed. car in lane to my right had stopped for her, but she clearly realised it was not a good move...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. PS
    Member

    I've suffered from this before, and wasn't hidden from view by anything as large as a bus. Riding up the cycle lane on Ferry Road from Crewe Toll, past the lights at Morrison's, stationary queue of traffic (all cars) to my right. A car was waiting to turn out from the houses on the left and, as I cycled along he suddenly pulled out across the cycle lane - thankfully I had time and space to pull a side-on skid to end up parallel to his front wing with my hand on his windscreen. He'd obviously been waved out by a car in the queue and hadn't checked that the way was clear.

    The driver making the manoeuvre is clearly at fault in these situations, given that he/she has failed to check that their way is clear before setting off, but that's not much consolation if you're peeling yourself off his bonnet. And, no doubt, in court it would be regarded as an aberation, seeing as they are normally such good, law abiding drivers...

    I suspect the best we can do is recognise the risk and be observant.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. From the Highway Code - not law, save for the last 'MUST NOT' bit. Interesting that it's against the law to sound your horn while stationary, wish someone would tell all the lazy folk who are picking people up and just beep from outside the house (sorry, bugbear of mine).

    110
    Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users.

    111
    Never assume that flashing headlights is a signal inviting you to proceed. Use your own judgement and proceed carefully.

    112
    The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn: while stationary on the road; when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am; except when another road user poses a danger

    Posted 12 years ago #

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