"and the weather of course"
I'm thinking 2k.
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Pedal on Parliament to be discussed... in Parliament
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Bit cold, no?
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"Bit cold, no? "
:)
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"Bit cold, no?"
Only for standing around...
Maybe need to organise some grass track racing.
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Long term forecast looks good, and warm.
http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Edinburgh/long.html
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It was pretty cold in January but still about 250-300 folk turned up. That was a weekday lunchtime too. Anything over a thousand looks like a LOT of cyclists. I did Edinburgh-St Andrews in 2010, and over 1300 riders were there. A huge column of cyclists, you could not see the front nor the back of it when in the midst. Two thousand or more will look absolutely ginormous once we're all together...
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If anyone planning on making a speech with or without a megaphone can be supplied rough numbers of participants observed on the day before everyone assembles at Parliament, noting in their speech how long a tailback the same number of people would have formed had they all been following the route as single occupants of cars (perhaps counting all children below driving age as passengers, for fairness) could be amusing as it could easily be a distance longer than the route itself.
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Average length of a medium sized car = 5 metres
Estimated adult turnout = 2000 people
5 x 2000 = 10000 metres, or 10 kilometres.That's if the cars are bumper to bumper with no spaces. Add an extra metre to each, that's 12 kilometres of tailback. Roughly the distance from the Parliament to the airport, or longer than the tram line.
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I took "bit cold, no?" to be a pun on 2k for an estimate of 2000 attendees and 2K the weather being 2 Kelvin.
If so, that's killed that joke!
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@excitableboy I got it.
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Yes I think I would be dissapointed if it was below 4 figures.
I too like the idea of equating the turnout into how many miles of cars would it take for the same protest.
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We could wear birthday suits...
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Ah a joke...
I'm preoccupied with weather for next week (not just Sat).
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Yeah "joke" may have fallen flat ;)
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It certainly got a cold reception.
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Youch! :D
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If this thread is heading towards temperature puns I have absolutely zero interest in it.
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Perhaps the warm reception of PoP is being hidden by a cold front.
Besides, according to Kaputnik, "the coldest temperature ever recorded in the UK was between my toes at 820AM".
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Dave, when you say the car industry has been able to monetise safety, do you mean that they have been able to increase the price of cars by making them safer? I don't think that's the case. In 1968, when it was launched, the new Ford Escort cost £2,919. Today, the equivalent, an entry level Ford Focus, which is infinitely better equipped for safety, has a list price of £12,495 (of course the forecourt price will only be about £10k). For comparison, the value of that 1968 Escort would be £41,500. So in real terms, cars are much cheaper, in spite of the improvements in safety.
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@Instography, when most folk bought a car in the 1960s they expected it to last. The idea was to keep your vehicle running as long as possible. At some point, I think possibly in the 1980s but probably the 1990s, lots of people started to believe they had to upgrade their vehicle to a new model every few years, sometimes every year. Certainly the selling points were about newer cars being safer, more fuel efficient, more comfortable, more features, etc. etc.
Dunno if many drivers still think that way. The status value of having a new car doesn't appear to have gone away...
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Yeah, sure. I was just wondering what Dave meant by monetising safety. If the value has collapsed in real terms then they don't seem to have been able to. I suspect competitive pressures have meant that they have to keep adding features while pushing prices down. A bit like PC manufacturers have had to keep upping the spec of their machines as the prices fall.
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I find cars last much better these days. I've got two in the drive. One is 15 years old with 180K miles and the other is 11 years old with 140K miles. They both start first time and have never broken down in a way which stopped them getting home under their own steam. This isn't how I remember cars when I was in primary school.
OTOH I've got a 61 yr old bike frame and it works fine too. Rims might be an issue but last time I asked they could still be found.
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I was just wondering what Dave meant by monetising safety. If the value has collapsed in real terms then they don't seem to have been able to. I suspect competitive pressures have meant that they have to keep adding features while pushing prices down.
It depends on your start and end point - US average car prices in 2005 were broadly the same as in 1985 in inflation-adjusted dollars (although it's true that cars are becoming increasingly less expensive, presumbly because competition drives improvements in manufacturing process).
Still, I'm not sure how even a collapse in prices would refute the point. For example, PC manufacturers monetised marginal differences in chip speeds (often by crippling fast chips to artificially create pricing strata), upselling people on extra MHz even though you could type emails just as well on any of them. The price of PCs has fallen through the floor since I bought my first one, but that doesn't mean that PCs aren't sold on extra MHz (or equivalents)
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