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Couldn't find the original thread where these new wondrous bits of infrastructure exist - check out the hidden bollards.....yes I lifted the flap, and below looks like a key operated bollard. Nicely placed for me to catch my Carradice on way past - Does anyone know the point of these ?????
no idea
which one was that on?
This one opposite civil service, but appear to be installing at each "strip"
then I have no idea
are the envisaging raising these to 'enforce' the split?
is this where the cycling % of the budget is going?
Maybe they're worried about cars on the path, not that I've seen that as a problem. As we've learned from the lift bridge an invisioned problem is often enough to create unnecessary work.
I suppose it could relate to the parts with dropped kerbs nearby
however as you say,its a solution to a problem that isnt present.
anyway,with grass either side. the bollard won't stop vehicles
@Nelly I rode over this evening, well, around as they had dumped a big cone on it while it sets I guess. I have previously had a good whine on another thread about the pointless rumble/slide strips.
The problem with this path is the connectivity at each major road it intersects with (i.e. there isn't any) and yet the investment is put in pointless anti-cycling measures. This is really infuriating, if this is what increased "cycling" budget goes on, they can take it back.
After POP is out the way, and if a bollard appears, a rather disgruntled email or 2 will be getting fired off. Think I'll wait for after the elections and target the new or re-elected members responsible for transport and that ward.
Hilariweep. Inspired by DaveC asking about it, I went back through the Cycle Facility of the Month, and as I expect you've guessed:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/pete.meg/wcc/facility-of-the-month/August2010.htm
I'm going to bed.
Bit of a resurrection this, but I know Uberuce and kaputnik love these bits of infrastructure too!
emailed the west team about a couple of grumbles on the broomhouse path - response below....
Thank you for your emails regarding the cyclepath at Broomhouse.
There is a requirement to provide tactiles for blind and partially
sighted pedestrians to advise them of a change from a shared use surface
to a segregated cycle/pedestrian path. The route from Stenhouse to
Edinburgh Park is segregated for most of its length. However, there are
short lengths of path where cyclists and pedestrians share the same
area. For example on the approach to signalised junction crossings. The
tactile slabs are therefore provided at the points where the use of the
path changes.
There are recommended patterns of slab to be used on the cycling and
pedestrian sides. The contractor has been asked to check these locations
to ensure that the correct pattern has been used.
The contractor has been instructed to ensure that the temporary paths
and areas at which they are operating are cleaned and maintained
appropriately.
I would like to thank you for bringing these matters to our attention,
and should you require any further information please contact me.
Regards,
.....removed.....
...removed.... | Customer Services Manager | Tram Co-ordination Team |
City of Edinburgh Council
9 Lochside Avenue | Edinburgh Park | Edinburgh | EH12 9DJ
Tel: 0131 623 8815
@nelly - interesting reply.
There are separate "tactile" (raised dot) sections as you would expect at a pedestrian crossing, but I think these were always there, the rumble/slide strips were added later. If that is their purpose, they should be across the entire width of the path, in the same direction, as on a segregated path the segregation applies only to the cyclist.
I'd have no issue if all the slabs were aligned as rumble rather than slide strips. The very shallow raised kerbing between the 2 sections is as far as I am concerned an accident waiting to happen when someone catches one at the wrong angle in the dark, wet or on an icy day.
kaps - the trouble is, the Guidance produced by the UK Department for Transport actually states that the cycle track side should be of the slider/tramline variety. See page 54:
Until this is changed, this kind of thing will keep being installed.
Sounds alright to me, Nelly. I think this is the thread (and post) you're looking for:
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=5929#post-64437
or go direct to the horse's mouth:
Interestingly, the DfT says that a white painted line is not sufficient in itself to demarcate the pedestrian and cyclist lanes on a segregated path, because visually impaired people will not be able to tell which side is which. Yet the Broomhouse-Stenhouse path is extremely obviously not set out to that standard. It's barely set out to any standard at all, really. Come to think of it, MMW doesn't follow that guidance either.
The provision for bollards is mystifying though. What will a single bollard stop when you can go round on the grass? Ah, perhaps they're going to fence in the paths at those points.
As a daily user of the path, footfall is very low and is generally restricted to people walking to/from bus stops. It really could survive perfectly well as a shared rather than segregated us path - if the whole NEPN works this way, why can't this section?
In practical operation, the path really is shared and doesn't function in its intended manner for reasons mentioned above.
@kaputnik @Arellcat, yep thats the thread I was looking for.
Its odd too, as they have sourced different sets of tactile paving - the ones immediately around Edin Park station are better, as the strips are wider = less chance of skidding out.
I have not responded on the 'segregation' part yet, but I did laugh out loud, wondering if a blind person could in some way sense 20 microns of broken down centre line !!
I wonder if the bollard bit is to stop people entering the path with motor vehicles? Its all a mystery.
I also asked them to hoover up all the blinking glass / detritus and look at the temporary path just west of Makro, as its disintegrating fast (cold weather will completely knacker it).
I'm going to start taking a proper count for a decent number of days, but I am gut-instinctive that the majority of pedestrians use the cycle half.
I did think the cheapest plan would be to torch off the bike diagrams and repaint on the current ped side, but Kap's right - the path is de facto shared use across the whole width already, so why bother with that step?
@uberuce, I had the same thoughts a while ago:
"I think people habitually walk on the side of a path that's furthest from perceived danger. This becomes the side away from the canal, or the western side of the path through Braidburn Valley."
and it just so happens that the ped side on this one is nearest the road: possibly to reduce the need for visually impaired people to cross more than necessary of a path that has other, faster users.
A week or two back I noticed quite a few of these same rumble/slide strips on a shared path in Scarborough. Every single one had been installed so that cyclists had the strips running along the path and pedestrians had them running across the path.
Presumably this is the official way to orientate them. (Remote centralised government, don't you love it)
cc, The orientation is the official way - rumble strips for ped side, tramlines for cyclist side - but the the slabs used here are the wrong ones as they have too many ridges/the ridges are too narrow and too close together. The right slabs are shown here http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=9230&page=4#post-97069 and here http://www.tobermore.co.uk/tactile_flags.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
Noticed these new massive rumblestrips on the uphill bits that still haven't opened on either side of the lights on the way to the gale the other day
If you look at my original post, I took a photo of the wee square box at the end of the rumblestrips? This is the result - this one at the end of Bankhead Drive and one at the underpass between Edin Park Station and Edin Park.
I suspect nowadays that they had enough slabs to do it right, with the wide flat-top ones on the cycle side and the narrow rounded ones on the ped, but somebody somewhere didn't pass that on to the workies. They just laid the first ones to hand on both sides until they ran out, then laid the other kind on both sides.
I haven't counted the number of rumbles west of South Gyle Access, so I could be talking Le Guff.
Great, navigating around that bollard is going to create an angle onto the tramline rumblestrips to make it even more likely that someone is going to come off on them.
How will Crummock drive their vans down the path now?!
Will be interesting to see how those bollards stand the test of time
How will Crummock drive their vans down the path now?!
Worry ye not, those are pop up bollards, a van should be able to drive over them with out even slowing down.
I'm strangely pleased. No more single syllable explanations to the non-moving krispy kremers at the bus stop that "its a shared path tubby".
Apparently there is now a shared path bollard on the Ed Park underpass ramp from the station.
So there you can choose which rumble strips to use!?!?
chdot - its the same as the one in my photo above, I also forgot to mention yesterday that the picture on the reverse doesnt show a 'bike' and 'ped' side as such - but a bike flying above the peds.
I tested their resilience earlier, and now have a sore hand - they are quite solid !
As an aside, has anyone else noticed the new slopey concrete bits just about at the carrick knowe bridge? Kids using them as a pseudo skate park tonight - actually I went up and down on my bike earlier too - good fun !
Kids using them as a pseudo skate park tonight
Yeah I saw them at it, how long before a pebble dash is added for 'ealth and safty.
"I also forgot to mention yesterday that the picture on the reverse doesnt show a 'bike' and 'ped' side as such - but a bike flying above the peds."
So it's to indicate beginning/end of segregated path.
There is no segregated path on tunnel route to Ed Park!!
So white line soon??
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