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Meanwhile in Fife

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  • Started 12 years ago by Instography
  • Latest reply from minus six

  1. Instography
    Member

    Based on a general reluctance to get excessively involved or to become a campaigner but compelled by POP, I wrote to Fife Council with a simple question: how should my son cycle to school (except I posed that question in about 1,000 words). I got a reply and responded that it was generally unsatisfactory (only in 1,500 street-by-street words).

    I forwarded by unhappiness to each of my councillors. Two positive responses. No commitments, obviously, and much depends on the outcome of the elections on Thursday but I'll be talking to one of them and the second has pushed the issue back into the council, higher up and as my MSP (which he also is) suggesting that they should want to talk to me, so I'll expect to hear from them.

    I'm happy to keep nibbling away at this question which, simple though it may be, raises general issues and opens a can of worms that isn't easy for them to close or ignore.

    More generally, it suggests that council officials, councillors and MSPs don't hear enough from us. Maybe that less true in Edinburgh. It's worth contacting them. However, and still with some reluctance, it also makes me wonder whether the Fifers should have a more co-ordinated approach. Any other Fife-based people interested in getting together to discuss?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    Sounds like a campaign to me! :-)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    "but compelled by POP"

    "Any other Fife-based people interested in getting together to discuss?"

    Well done.

    The trick now is to find a small group of keen people and then leave them to!!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    Don't forget, help offered -

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=6113#post-65769

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. DaveC
    Member

    I contacted a local council candidate this morning about rude and obstructive locals in the street outside my son's school. I've just started helping out with the parent run Cycle Proficiency. Most of the course takes place on the street the school is on. The lead volundeer was telling me about certain locals in the street, the school is on, moving their cars back and forth from their drive to the road outside their house and then back again. Also locals being abusive towards children and volunteers, and was told about one incident where a local car owner reversed their jag into the road nearly knocking over a school child. Apparently certain locals don't like children cycling outside their house and beleive the street outside their house is their property.

    I received a very positive response, given the local council candidate is a fellow cyclist, who said I should report any incidents to him. He would come down imediately and visit the local causing a problem, and if it were needed he would call the police himself. He also said as this happened last year that he would be calling the local Police Inspector, so that she was aware of any potential problems before hand which would mean a response from them should be faster.

    He did remind me that technically someone being a a**e and generally rude and obstructive, so long as not dangerous, was not committing an offence. But he did follow on with, any incident should be recorded and submitted to the council or the police.

    These are the same locals who complain about parents parking at drop off and pick up times in their street. I can't understand the double standards. Reduce car use in the area by training children to cycle safely to and from school, yet come up against the same locals complaining about cycle training once a year on their street?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    "I contacted a local council candidate"

    Sounds like it would be good if they got elected!

    Definitely a police matter.

    Though it does give children a taste of 'real life'...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. Min
    Member

    Good grief Dave, that is truly horrific. Absolutely staggering. What vile, vile people. :-(

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. crowriver
    Member

    These are the same locals who complain about parents parking at drop off and pick up times in their street. I can't understand the double standards.

    It's called hypocrisy. It's a national sport, and Scots are just as good at it as anyone else. Maybe we even "take a lead" as a certain Superintendent would say.

    "Get orf my land! Oops, it's not mine. Get orf it anyway! I can see it from my window. And I pay road tax, unlike these damn kids who don't even live around here."

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. chdot
    Admin

    Sounds like one for the local paper too.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Maybe they thought it was just a council building opposite when they bought their house?

    Must have come as quite a shock when after moving in on the Friday afternoon, they wake up on the Monday morning and look out the window..."Jesus, there's kids everywhere, Marjory....".

    But seriously, shocking!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. SRD
    Moderator

    that's so appalling. try reminding them that they should be 'reversing in' for just this reason...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. minus six
    Member

    Anything to keep the pressure on -- but judging by my previous attempts at campaigning over the years, I know that I tire quickly of well-meaning but ineffectual and ignorant officials, who find my subsequently abrasive attitude all to easy to ignore.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    "I know that I tire quickly of well-meaning but ineffectual and ignorant officials, who find my subsequently abrasive attitude all to easy to ignore."

    I can relate to that...

    Anyone on here who could do the equivalent of 'non-violence training' for use of keyboards rather than taking part in demos??

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. crowriver
    Member

    As the old saying goes, when arguing a point, attack your opponent's argument rather than the man/woman.

    They may well be giving you the brush off, being rude or ignoring you. Stick to your guns and if there are any holes in their arguments, tear into them without mercy. Whilst always being polite about it.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. David Martin
    Member

    It may well be worth contacting your local CTC Right to Ride rep. Which part of Fife are you in?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Instography
    Member

    Limekilns. Actually, I should probably join CTC just because and then contact the rep. Good idea.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    @Insto, you should probably join CTC anyway. 3rd party insurance included in the membership fee, monthly magazine, bike shop discounts... Then there are the regular group rides, campaigns, etc.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. DaveC
    Member

    Dang.. I need to join CTC also!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. minus six
    Member

    I'e been a CTC subscriber for a decade or more, but switched to BC as a protest, this year.

    CTC need to buck up their ideas, they want to be the pre-eminent national org, but still hide behind "touring" when it suits.

    Haven't seen very much touring in the schizo quarterly magazine for a few years.

    Thanks for everything, but its time to get real.

    We live in a political world.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. DaveC
    Member

    BC? Before Cycling?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. minus six
    Member

    BC == http://www.britishcycling.org.uk/travel

    Posted 12 years ago #
  22. Claggy Cog
    Member

    @bax each to their own. There are enough organisations you or anyone can join and if you choose to spend your cash on a BC subscription fair do's. They all offer different things too so whatever your niche might be it may fit one better than the other. I often hear that the CTC mag is one of the best for quality and comes as part of your membership. The BC site online is not particularly user friendly, but I think they are rather good at news and news breaking articles, they also tend to follow racing somewhat more than the CTC. Not sure about BC campaigning...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    British Cycling is all about sport though. Not that I have anything against sport cycling, it's great. Essentially though it's the governing body for all the racing and competitions. Great too that they are now doing commuter info and campaigning, the more the merrier.

    I joined CTC a couple of years ago because I was interested in touring, but subsequently I've discovered there's more to the organisation. CTC does something different from BC, it has a different structure based around the local branches. It has a long history of campaigning. CTC is a statutory consultative body at national and local government level regarding cycling policies, regulation, infrastructure, etc.

    Personally CTC fits my interests more than BC does. I'm also a member of Spokes and I don't see any contradiction. If I were to eventually join Audax UK I would still be a member of CTC. Someone could be a member of CTC and BC, I don't see why not. There's no either/or involved as far as I can see.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  24. Instography
    Member

    But CTC is a statutory consultee. Nuff said. If you're interested in the politics of cycling, that matters. BC (about whom I know nothing at all) can make as much noise as it likes but if it's not a statutory consultee it's outside the tent pissing in or maybe in the other direction. Whatever. It's ineffectual. If I was joining something I'd want it to be someone in the tent, pissing across the table. (Excuse the analogy but once I'd started I found it impossible to stop).

    Posted 12 years ago #
  25. Instography
    Member

    I've started recording this exchange with the Council in a blog and am about to send them the link. It needs a little sprucing up but please feel free to add any comments you fancy. It should help freak them out a little.

    http://stevenhope.typepad.co.uk/cycle/

    Posted 12 years ago #
  26. splitshift
    Member

    jaguars, Limekilns,stereotypes abound !A lovely part of the world, blighted by clearly stupid people ! I knew someone who was tying their boat up at limekilns,charlestown harbour, cause it was free(not many in scotland)he weas almost living on the boat, his marraige had collapsed and his employment ended, he was made to feel like a "new age traveller"desecrating their holy land. ! Didnt stop them asking him for help with their shiny boats, for free !
    whether you cycle or not, whether you drive (a jag! )or not, surely you have to be some real sub human species to reverse at children who are being taught to behave in a safe and considerate manner ? Never mind contacting the newspaper, get them on tv !
    scum

    Posted 12 years ago #
  27. crowriver
    Member

    @splitshift, DaveC is in Dalgety Bay I think, not Limekilns: that's Instography.

    All a blur from the cab at speed I'm sure, but still...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  28. splitshift
    Member

    geographically challenged yet again ! sentiment remains the same, not nice people !

    Posted 12 years ago #
  29. DaveC
    Member

    "geographically challenged yet again"...

    and you a Heavy Goods Driver? I assume you're employer has given you a second man.. person to navigate? ;O)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  30. Instography
    Member

    @splitshift
    Who is it you're insulting here - me, DaveC or Jag drivers?

    Posted 12 years ago #

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