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  1. chdot
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    "
    When asked what his preferred method of leading the council would be, Burns said: “It is likely to be a minority or a rainbow arrangement, but I am not ruling out a coalition.”

    He added: “There is a myriad of possibilities when you look at the numbers. We are going to take a bit of time over it to make sure that we get it right and don’t end up with the indecision that we have had over the last five years. What we arrive at has got to be clear, precise and deliverable.”

    Burns’s hope of leading a minority administration that could reach agreement with rival parties on an issue-by-issue basis has been encouraged by analysis of the manifestos produced by Labour, SNP, the Conservatives, Lib Dems and the Greens, who with six councillors are likely to play a prominent role in negotiations.

    “The council officers have done an analysis of the five party manifestos and shock … horror … amazement was that there was complete and total agreement on 75 per cent of the manifesto content across all five parties,” Burns said. With all the parties indicating that they are prepared to talk, there is also the intriguing possibility of a Labour/Tory coalition – the only combination of two parties that would secure an outright majority.

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    http://m.scotsman.com/scotland-on-sunday/politics/scottish-council-elections-labour-set-to-tighten-grip-on-scotland-s-big-cities-1-2277762

    The last bit isn't strictly true - Lab + SNP would be a majority, but is virtually impossible. It's not just because they have different views on Independence (which will have a referendum during the current council term), more about personalities.

    The power of the other parties here - especially the Greens - is to decide which of their policies - especially if Labour broadly agrees - is their most important.

    Obviously this looks good for walking and cycling.

    It would be interesting to get hold of the document that has compared the manifestos - presumably 'public'??

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

  3. chdot
    Admin

    Yes - but there are other things than cycling...

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    There's this -

    http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/4827/sustainable_edinburgh_2020-engaging_with_our_citys_future-full_version

    which I assume is now Council policy.

    Of course there have been similar 'uplifting' documents on all sorts of things - inc. transport.

    Will this one actually be used as a guide for the next 12 years, or even 5 or at all?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. freewhwheelin
    Member

    MMMhh I think we were making progess under the last administration, I'm not so sure that whatever administration/coalition that emerges will be so pro cycling, sadly :(

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

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    Brian Ferguson (@brianjaffa)
    06/05/2012 11:29
    Edinburgh Labour leader @AndrewDBurns tells me coalition deal to run #edincouncil "very unlikely" to be concluded today. #edelect

    Brian Ferguson (@brianjaffa)
    06/05/2012 11:31
    Edinburgh Labour leader @AndrewDBurns confirms talks have taken place over weekend with all 4 rival parties over #edincouncil coalition.

    Brian Ferguson (@brianjaffa)
    06/05/2012 11:32
    Edinburgh Labour leader @AndrewDBurns does note rule out any alliances following initial coalition talks. Ten meetings held so far.

    "

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. chdot
    Admin

    This seems to be in response to a weekend of Twitter speculation!

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    Andrew D Burns (@AndrewDBurns)
    07/05/2012 09:43
    1 of 2 - As per our manifesto, on which we have formed the largest Group, we are still talking to ALL of the other 4 Parties on the Council.

    Andrew D Burns (@AndrewDBurns)
    07/05/2012 09:43
    2 of 2 – Nothing has been ruled out; all options are still on the table; and my door is firmly open to ALL of the other Parties.

    "

    Posted 13 years ago #
  8. SRD
    Moderator

    Colleague with Green connections says: "I am hearing Greens have no problem working with Labour. But Lab+Greens not enough and Lib Dems too shell-shocked to engage. In any other arrangement Green votes not needed so may be dispensable."

    Posted 13 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    The Scotsman are speculating about a Labour-Tory coalition. May just be wishful thinking on their part, so they can spin it as a pro-Union, anti-referendum coalition. They also 'reported' that the Greens were 'wary' of coalition.

    Basically the Scotsman back to their right wing tricks. I'm not even going to dignify it with a link.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  10. crowriver
    Member

    Labour-SNP deal might have been possible if Cardownie had lost his seat. As it stands, I can't see how that can happen. Long memories, betrayals, etc.

    Arithmetically that leaves Labour-Tory, which frankly would be a PR disaster for Labour (and potentially bad for the city). I'll be very surprised if that happens.

    Which may mean a Labour minority administration, calling on policy-by-policy co-operation deals with SNP, Greens, Tories and Lib Dems depending on the respective parties' manifesto pledges.

    Would not be a bad thing for democracy and the city.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  11. SRD
    Moderator

    I'll be very depressed if we get Labour-Tory.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    "Which may mean a Labour minority administration"

    I don't understand why Greens are unwilling/unable to add six votes on either a coalition or 'understanding' basis.

    Of course all other opposition parties could vote against, but Lab/Green must be able to start will policies/actions that other parties wouldn't actually disagree with.

    Opposition parties just voting against everything on principle would not go down well with people who have just voted them in.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  13. SRD
    Moderator

    agree. where's andrew burns?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    "where's andrew burns?"

    City Chambers with an open door (probably).

    Posted 13 years ago #
  15. wee folding bike
    Member

    Opposition parties just voting against everything on principle would not go down well with people who have just voted them in.

    Voting against everything has recently become known as the Bain doctrine. Wullie Bain claimed it was party policy when they didn't vote against Coalition tax proposals. As I recall he made a mistake there as it wasn't even an SNP amendment. I think it was Plaid brought it but it might have been the Green MP.

    Perhaps the Greens would rather stay flexible than be dragged into things. They may have been watching Mr Clegg in London and how it has worked out for him.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  16. chdot
    Admin

    "Perhaps the Greens would rather stay flexible than be dragged into things. They may have been watching Mr Clegg in London and how it has worked out for him."

    I'm sure that's true - but not very 'new politics'.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    Or maybe that is new politics?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  18. wee folding bike
    Member

    Greens in Mid Lothian have sort of gone into coalition with an independent and SNP. They have promised support. I'm not sure how that is different from coalition. Perhaps they don't get any positions but similarly can bail out if they are not happy.

    http://www.newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/4917-historic-alliance-sees-snp-end-80-years-of-labour-rule-in-midlothian

    Posted 13 years ago #
  19. crowriver
    Member

    Confidence and supply:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_and_supply

    Posted 13 years ago #
  20. SRD
    Moderator

    "Perhaps the Greens would rather stay flexible than be dragged into things. They may have been watching Mr Clegg in London and how it has worked out for him."

    they'd be foolish not to be worried about the implications, especially with this example. But my source - pretty solid -- suggests otherwise.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  21. wee folding bike
    Member

    Yes, I remember that was talked about in Westminster 2 years ago.

    So what do the Greens get from the deal?

    Edit: the Midlothian deal I mean.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    @wfb: See this thread.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    Tories are making a lot of noise about being agreeable to coalition in Edinburgh. Labour minority administration would be far preferable to Lab/Con!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  24. SRD
    Moderator

    not promising...green councillor's briefing

    Posted 13 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

    Well that post and the linked document show a curious mix of lack of self confidence - 'well if we were in a coalition with too other parties they'd just ignore us' and arrogance - 'other parties have to agree to change council before we can discuss policies'.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    "
    Marco Biagi @EdinburghBiagi

    So Edinburgh Labour's coalition-of-all-the-talents idea, straight out of the hippy consensus book, founders on Green opposition. #irony
    "

    Posted 13 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

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    Clare Simpson @ClareMSimpson

    We live in strange times - a Labour Tory coalition in Edinburgh - would people have voted Labour if they'd known this?

    "

    Or Green if they thought they'd sideline themselves?

    Posted 13 years ago #
  28. wee folding bike
    Member

    Milliband (Ed) told us that Ms Lamont was in charge of Labour in Scotland after the more confused situation which obtained under Mr Grey and his predecessors where he was only the Leader of the Labour Group in the Scottish Parliament. If Milliband (Ed) was telling the truth on control being held in Scotland and a Labour/Tory deal goes ahead in Edinburgh that would mean that, at some level, Ms Lamont has allowed it to proceed. That doesn't seem smart as she presumably wants to distance herself from the Tories. I don't expect the BBC or papers to ask her about this but I would like to.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    @chdot, I disagree. It's a calm laying out of the options for the Greens.

    As I predicted, the Lib Dems are too busy licking their wounds. Fair enough.
    20+6 ≠ a majority.

    Why enter a coalition if:
    a. the administration still doesn't have a majority
    b. the party becomes merely a way to 'ameliorate'* a two-party (Lab plus SNP/Tories) coalition which already has a majority with the Greens?

    It's common sense to then stay out. There's only a point in doing a deal if you actually get to enact some of your policy pledges.

    * - Clegg-speak for the Lib Dem role vis a vis the Tories at Westminster

    Posted 13 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    Except that as part of a coalition they would get a Committee Chair or two - so not just voting fodder/'cover'??

    Posted 13 years ago #

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