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Graeme Obree's 'LaidFront' Wheels

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  • Started 13 years ago by LaidBack
  • Latest reply from kaputnik

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  1. LaidBack
    Member

    Telegraph on Obree

    I was sent this link...

    It will have a shell of course.... and a chain or two!

    Good luck to Graeme ... would be happy to sponsor in some way although this is a LaidFront bike!

    According to M Burrows the drag caused by the tips of the wheels leaving the aerdynamic shell (bubble) accounts for over 50% of resistance above 80mph...

    He's going to train on A78 - hope surface is good.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  2. Smudge
    Member

    Inspiring chap, I stand in awe (well, sitting just now but you know what I mean...)
    Hope he can smash the record, if he doesn't, it wont be for lack of effort or ingenuity, if he does, we should be having a pop sized gathering to celebrate!

    Posted 13 years ago #
  3. Jackson Priest
    Member

    Wow.

    I like this quote: "You just roll it and go up through the gears. If you get into the top gear you are already doing 80mph".

    Flying Scotsman's on the telly tonight.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  4. Arellcat
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    Here is what it takes to do 80mph:

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    Wait for the 7 minute mark to watch a man at the very limits of his endurance.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  5. Smudge
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    It has to be said, the cockpit view is not an attractive look! Awesome work though.

    This clip lets us see the outside and get a (too brief) look at the bike. Would love a shot in that (with weakling gearing fitted obviously :-))

    Posted 13 years ago #
  6. Jackson Priest
    Member

    Don't worry about weakling gearing Smudge - you'd be fine. You just roll it and go up through the gears.

    Posted 13 years ago #
  7. Bhachgen
    Member

    New video of Mr Obree talking about the building process. Stick with it to the last line where you get a real insight into how much he loves both aspects of the project - building the bike and dealing with all the engineering challenges AND actually riding it. Loved that.

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    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. Roibeard
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    Another one...

    This time we discover that top gear is ... 320"!!

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    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. Smudge
    Member

    320" :-o
    Just re-checked and my Surly has 114" in top gear, and that only sees any use downhill!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. LaidBack
    Member

    Yes....

    Noise is never good - is it?

    Refer to Dave's look at assorted chainlines here. Yes it is inside shell and is not subject to normal laws of cycling. But.... every turn of the chain creates drag on a heap load of chain.
    Chainline angles on non-standard bikes

    Honza from Azub in Czech Republic makes point of rear suspension being another energy drain. At least Graeme's one is a 'hardtail' (and most other ones built for speed over comfort)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. kaputnik
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    It's great to see Obree laughing his head off and grinning madly like the crazed bicycle wizard he obviously is.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. Tom
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    And here's what it looks like on the road:

    http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/243624_366615286737129_1979544135_o.jpg

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. kaputnik
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    Nice bar tape :)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Have the UCI banned it yet?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. ruggtomcat
    Member

    yup. I hope the shell will be pink.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. le_soigneur
    Member

    Hope he doesn't have to go over any sleeping-policemen, that jockey wheel sure scrapes the ground.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. ruggtomcat
    Member

    the linkages from the pedals to the chainring are beautiful.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. Arellcat
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    More on the Obree LSR bike, on the road:

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    There's another video from David Street, with Obree's son Jamie taking inspiration from his Dad, but the video has embedding disabled.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. wingpig
    Member

    He doesn't make very comfortable-sounding noises when he's riding it...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. kaputnik
    Moderator

    not going to make a practical commuter bike with low-speed handling like that, but can't wait to see it tried out on the straight in the big gears!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. ruggtomcat
    Member

    yeah it looks fast....

    Posted 12 years ago #
  22. Roibeard
    Member

    Can't deny that he's created something incredibly minimal. The aerodynamics should definitely be in his favour.

    Definitely he's an example of the Great British Eccentric, and who can yet say if this creation is genius or a glorious folly!

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. Tom
    Member

    Prone recumbent isn't a new idea:

    http://youtu.be/d-akkbNyiXE

    Posted 12 years ago #
  24. Roibeard
    Member

    http://www.h-zontal.com/pagesgb/faq.html

    Apparently not, but beware of potential school-boy giggles...

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  25. Tom
    Member

    "Is the women breast compressed?" Ha!

    A new FAQ might be "How is the rider stopping the passing school child who jumps on back for free ride?"

    Posted 12 years ago #
  26. Bhachgen
    Member

    Great to see it in action at last.

    I think that pedalling motion could take a fair bit of training in order to adapt to it. He's taken a lot of the circular nature of normal pedalling out of the action from the way it looks in the video.

    It definitely can't be comfortable to ride but he's never let that sort of thing stop him before!

    Looking forward to seeing some proper fast runs.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  27. Arellcat
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    It doesn't have to be comfortable, but it does have to be efficient, since you're only on the machine for about eight minutes. I daresay Obree is no stranger to feeling a little worse for wear on his bike from his hour record days.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  28. cb
    Member

    Anyone know* what's involved to actually break the record?

    Do you have to maintain the record speed for a certain time and/or distance?

    Do you have to do it in both directions like you do for car speed records?

    Do you have to be self propelled from a standing start?

    (*'spose I could Google it, but easier to CCE it...)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  29. Arellcat
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    Standing start with no assistance other than being held upright and pushed for up to 15 metres. About a six mile run-up to a flying 200 metres, one way. If the wind speed is out of tolerance in speed (> 1.66 m/s) or direction (up to 85 degees either way from a straight headwind) the run doesn't count for record breakery.

    2009 rules are posted here:

    http://www.wisil.recumbents.com/wisil/whpsc2011/TEAMinfo09.doc

    although I can't access the IHPVA website at work because it's blocked!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  30. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Baldcyclist mentioned this elsewhere but without the magic word Obree I missed it and so I thought I'd bump up the earlier thread about his record attempt. He's now attempting to break the UK record first.

    Posted 12 years ago #

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