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Riding to St. Abbs this weekend

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  1. Uberuce
    Member

    DaveC: fun with physiology...

    The way your nervous system works is to recruit the least number of muscle fibres it can to do the job the brain has tasked. Every bundle of fibres is bound up in a muscle unit, with one nerve ending ready to rock'n'roll and order all the fibres to twitch.

    The muscle units variously called red, slow-twitch, jogger's or Type I are recruited first, so if it's a light job, like turning a pedal when spinning at a nice 80rpm, that's the only one used. These muscle units are very well supplied by oxygen, so they can run and run, but there's not many fibres in each one, so they're a bit weedy. It's not their nerve's fault: said nerve simply doesn't have the staff to get a big job done.

    If they can't supply the force, the big guns of the white, fast-twitch, sprinter's of Type II muscle units are called in. They've got around ten times the number of fibres per nerve than the reds, so when the foreman says it's time to twitch, a lot of Newtons happen. They work anaerobically, so they fatigue much quicker than the Type I snakes. If you have a huge job to do, like starting a 90" track bike from a standing start, these things will all be firing.

    The ratio of marathon to sprint fibres that you have is looking a lot like a congenital and unalterable factor. I've looked at the evidence for the contrary and it's a bit wooly for my liking. I'm perfectly happy to call myself a born sprinter and not get too fussed when I can't cope on long efforts.

    The flip side of the coin is that all the white/fast/TypeII guff that I was uselessly carrying around for most of yesterday was firing on all cylinders on the hills in my 63" gear, so I look a much better cyclist than I actually am.

    Tom and I talked about this on the ride, as it happens. The received wisdom for distance cyclists is that they shouldn't do any strength work the way time trialists and track sprinters do, and for the above reasons, we agreed that's just nuts. You're going to get hills, and you're going to be slow on them unless you've got your squatting in.

    So, DaveC, I'll show you how to squat, and you'll be grand.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. Tom
    Member

    Your 110 miler sounds a lot like the Erit Lass. I'll need to see if I can plot a route around the Duns area that will take in at least four of the chimneys and reach the border. I like the idea of afternoon tea in England. And you don't have to go too far across the border before you get the village green/tea room/cricket match vibe.
    *Edit* God I can just imagine an English person saying "you don't have to go too far across the border before you get that tartan/haggis/bagpipes vibe".

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Tom
    Member

    Uberuce: try building fast twitch in one leg and slow twitch in the other.

    You can have that for nothing.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Uberuce
    Member

    *pedals in circles*

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. chdot
    Admin

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    Lance Armstrong (@lancearmstrong)

    27/05/2012 23:19

    100+ miles done. Hawi, Pololu Valley, back over the Kohalas, Waimea, and back. Had all kinds of weather.

    "

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. amir
    Member

    As a footnote: there is indeed a reasonable looking cyclepath alongside the A1 between Bilsdean (just north of Oldhamstocks) and the minor road on the sea-side just north of the power station. This allows a flatter route to Cove though missing out on the wonderful country lanes around Spott and Innerwick.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. DaveC
    Member

    Now I've seen those lovely wee villages (&their hills), my preference is for the flat radioactive route...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. Roibeard
    Member

    @Uberuce I'm perfectly happy to call myself a born sprinter and not get too fussed when I can't cope on long efforts.

    <LOL>

    120.73 miles is, I'm pretty sure, a long effort by anyone's standards (except perhaps Dave's superhuman standard)...

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. Uberuce
    Member

    Ah, but I only coped because the red-fibred robots slowed the pace and changed the route to an easier one. Otherwise it would have been Welcome to Dropsville, population: Uberuce.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. Tom
    Member

    Uberuce, if it makes you feel any better this is my training programme for this week:

    Mon: Recovery 40 mins
    Tues: Muscular endurance 50 mins (v painful)
    Wed: Endurance 2 hours
    Thurs: Force 1 hour (v painful)
    Fri: Endurance 90 mins
    Sat: Force 1 hour (v painful)
    Sun: Endurance 2 hours

    ...and still Kap can pull away from me effortlessly and you can match me for distance on a single-speed. Sheesh :)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. kaputnik
    Moderator

    When I updated the route map, it came up with 3,800ft of climbing, which is normally an underestimate as the topography model it uses isn't of high enough resolution to pick up all the wee ups and downs.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. PS
    Member

    If you cross the border at Chain Bridge (not too far from Berwick) you can have your tea and cake in the double decker bus that serves as the cafe at the Chain Bridge Honey Farm.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. Tom
    Member

    PS: "tea and cake in the double decker bus that serves as the cafe at the Chain Bridge Honey Farm". Seems like a neat double-bag with Zazou for the transport themed pair.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. fimm
    Member

    Well done Uberuce!
    I well remember my first metric century which was a bit accidental - I went out the back somewhere near Roslin Glen and Mr fimm had to drag me home.

    The ride to St Abbs Head sounds like a very fine day out.
    Sometime I will persuade Mr fimm to let me go cycling with random people off the internet... or even to come too...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. Roibeard
    Member

    @fimm - Hey! We're not random, just meandering...

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. Tom
    Member

    RPOTI - another acronym for chdot's list.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. MeepMeep
    Member

    Fimm, if you fancy and are looking for company in the form of a female contingent the next time, let me know! Looking forward to getting a century under my belt but am still early on in training for it.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @Meepmeep I think Uberuce and Numptie will tell you that the best training for a century is your first century :)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. Uberuce
    Member

    Tom, does Force have any squatting in it? Love dem squats.

    @MeepMeep: I think once you can do twenty miles comfortably, then longer rides are a matter of psychology and nutrition. I got the last part wrong, d'oh!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  20. DaveC
    Member

    @uberuce. You are right, we should have stopped for diner in Garvald.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  21. Uberuce
    Member

    Salty chips would have done, given we weere already over time.

    Uberuce: "Hello, can you fill this up, please"

    Nice Garvald Barman: "Sure...."

    Uberuce: "Can I have a mountain of chips, too?"

    NGB: Urm. We do small bowls and large ones?

    Uberuce: Mountain.

    NGB: I could see about getting a platter...

    Uberuce: Mountain.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  22. steveo
    Member

    Four fried chickens and a coke!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  23. amir
    Member

    I am still hungry. I have already eaten my lunch.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  24. Tom
    Member

    @uberuce, squats would work fine. That's a part of winter gym training for racing cyclists though I once knew an ERC rider who used an MTB with a sand filled frame to build climbing power. It got stolen but was found nearby. I just ride repeatedly up a steep hill in a highish gear*.

    And a big yes to comfort; comfortable saddle, shorts, shoes, neck, shoulders, hands and you could ride all day.

    *But you've got to have a lot of miles in your legs before you do this because if you over-develop your muscles before your tendons catch up, you can get knee pain problems.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  25. amir
    Member

    Muchos kudos to you, Tom for sticking to a formal training regime.

    We did actually pretty ride all day - well at least 10 hours. The thing that puts me off distances over 200km is that my enjoyment starts to tail off - it's more about sticking in there.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  26. kaputnik
    Moderator

    I once knew an ERC rider who used an MTB with a sand filled frame to build climbing power

    There's a chap who has a long wheelbase MTB with home-made disc wheels and a couple of stagehand's iron weights to the tune of 40lbs on the rack. His legs are silly strong

    Posted 12 years ago #
  27. Tom
    Member

    @amir, yes, how much is too much >100 miles imo.
    @kaputnik, could be the same chap, builds bike light systems, adds cardboard fairings to his TT bike.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  28. kaputnik
    Moderator

    @Tom, yes, that's him! Purveyor of death-star specification lighting systems.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    I once knew an ERC rider who used an MTB with a sand filled frame to build climbing power.

    Alternatively just strap a toddler into a rear child seat, and head up a steep hill... ;-)

    It got stolen but was found nearby.

    Yeah I can just see the wee junkie's face as he tried to get up the nearest hill on it!

    Posted 12 years ago #
  30. LaidBack
    Member

    120.73 miles is, I'm pretty sure, a long effort by anyone's standards ...

    Yes. Even 120.73km can be too long a cycle on the wrong day....

    Posted 12 years ago #

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