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ATAP - Family network

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  1. "As long as we get a reasonable linked up network that encourages more people to cycle, surely that's the main thing"

    Yes, which is why I said...

    "it really really is just the name I find a bit odd for something that is beneficial to so many{/i]"

    because the name may not make people aware that actually that particular network is great for starting them off riding to work. Because "[i]nor the prioritisation of leisure/pootley routes." isn't actually what it's doing - it's linking up off-road paths, many (most/all) of which can be and are used for commuting. The name really doesn't fit with the blurb.

    Last I'm saying on this - it's clearly another subject which is hard to get across and life's too short.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. Uberuce
    Member

    Nearest I can do to a snappy wordsy name for something that covers the shared use no-motor-vehicles bit is Legways, but that excludes wheelchair users, so I gave up and went for acronyms that are easy to say but cover all the bases.

    Shared Use Path Network. Need to find out if Suppun is filth in another language.

    Engineless Paths? You can shoehorn in pedelecs and motorised wheelchairs if you declare that electrically powered moving devices have motors, not engines. Shorten it to Ginless and I think it sounds quite sweet, and evocative of some notional historic law that gin was forbidden to be consumed on them by the political stringpulling of the local beer breweries. And naturally I'd dress up as Neil deGrasse Tyson on their opening day and daintily sup a Sapphire'n'tonic while a chamber quartet played Rage Against The Machine's Killing In The Name Of.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Bhachgen
    Member

    How about...

    "The People's Path Network"

    "Jock Tamson's Tracks"

    "BikeSafe"

    "Greenways" (if CEC hadn't already used this to mean "Bus Lane")

    "Cycletasmagoria"

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. SRD
    Moderator

    Thanks bachgen - any more suggestions?

    (Just a reminder - thread started from presumption that current name was crap, and seeking others, not looking for debate about why it is crap, which seems to be what we wandered into)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. wingpig
    Member

    Edinburgh-Wide Own-Steam-Movement-Enhancing Route Group.
    Edinburgh Human-Power Access Lines.
    The Ways of the Unthreatened.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. Min
    Member

    PS - Edinburgh Cyclesafe Network

    I quite like this one.

    Wingpig The Ways of the Unthreatened.

    In a slightly less serious way I like this one too. :-D

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. cb
    Member

    Active Travel Network

    (Have normal people heard of Active Travel?)

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. Morningsider
    Member

    I think people might be missing the point of the "family network". There is no indication in the ATAP that the actual cycle paths/lanes/facilities etc. will ever be signed or generally known as the family network. This seems to be a term coined for the ATAP to describe a specific network of routes and actions to upgrade them. This sort of thing is common in planning documents - a shorthand for pracitioners not really aimed at the general public. The Quality Bike Corridor is an example, people in the know may refer to it as this, but to most people it is simply improved cycle infrastructure.

    Happy to be proved wrong though - if people do know of plans to roll out a family network branding.

    EDIT - I have been proved wrong, by the ever knowledgable SRD. In which case, I do agree that there needs to be a new name.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. RJ
    Member

    (On the basis that you fit words to your acronym, Pan-Edinburgh Paths = PEP; but of course the network is not just paths ...)

    I think Morningsider is on to something. There's hidden power to enable CEC to get on and get the work done in having the planned result labelled as a "family network". It's (more) EEN-proof. Branding (external) can be different. PEP (above) shows it's not my forte ...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. Min
    Member

    Putting in safety as in PS (or Bachgen) suggestion would be better I think. Bureaucracies love 'elf and safety and citing it is often by far the best and easiest way to get stuff done. And it doesn't appear to exclude anyone except for people who like their cycling dangerous.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. chdot
    Admin

    I hope that "Family" never appears on any street signs, but it might be legitimate on a map/leaflet highlighting things like the NEPN, Innocent etc.

    The crucial word is Network.

    I hope the idea of an (the) Edinburgh Cycle Network does get some prominence, perhaps with Sustrans style signs and also road markings - basically what was happening in London prior to the "Super Highway' concept.

    Going back to ATAP - "it will need to cross the city centre east to west and north to south".

    Perhaps these should be quite clearly created/marked/marketed - Cross Town Connectors.

    These will certainly be much more than 'family friendly' routes. I would hope that they will be designed/created well enough to be attractive to people who happen to want to cycle in the city with youngish children.

    I seem to remember general aspirations (not necessarily in ATAP) for facilities that could be used by 10 year olds - on their own.

    To repeat - the crucial word is Network. So anything that is designated Network must be conveniently and safely linked up. This is currently the case for NEPN, because it's mostly off-road. It may soon be possible to refer to routes between and Portobello and Leith as the East Edinburgh Cycle Network. But neither could really be considered to be part of an Edinburgh Cycle Network unless they were well connected to each other - and they would really need to be linked to paths and decent on-road sections in other parts of the city.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. SRD
    Moderator

    ATAP claims to be aiming for unaccompanied 12 year olds! Quite an aspiration for - eg - Russel rd to Union Canal.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    Nothing wrong with aspirations. Achieving/delivering them will be the test.

    I really hope this plan is delivered: Edinburgh needs it.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  14. ExcitableBoy
    Member

    Whilst I cycle on the existing paths often, Roseburn Path, Warriston Path etc I can never remember which is which. So for me numbers would help.Each section having Network followed by the month and year of opening perhaps, eg Network 612 - how cool would that be? - only me then!?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. chdot
    Admin

    "
    But what good is a low-stress, family-friendly street that prioritizes bicycling, if no one knows it's there? That's the question motivating a new push by PBOT to further promote Going and make it stand out among its paved peers.
    "

    http://bikeportland.org/2012/05/24/city-puts-marketing-muscle-behind-marquee-bike-boulevard-72312?

    Posted 12 years ago #
  16. SRD
    Moderator

    i'd like one of their seat covers

    Posted 12 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    "i'd like one of their seat covers"

    You mean the one advertising -

    http://neighborhoodgreenways.org

    "
    Neighborhood Greenways Streets with low traffic volume and speed where bicycles, pedestrians and neighbors are given priority
    "

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    "
    N-NE Going

    This project is one of our longer bicycle greenway connectors. The corridor begins at N Vancouver and Williams and extends all the way out to NE 72nd Avenue. This route provides critical east-west connections for Portland’s Bicycle Greenway network.

    http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=50518&a=348945

    "

    Posted 12 years ago #
  19. SRD
    Moderator

    I just want a seat cover. Mine leaks.

    Posted 12 years ago #

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