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  1. maninaskirt
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    Showing some leg:- 20/05/2012 Article in Sunday Times

    Seen this on another website and wondered if any folks here had seen it or have any comments:-

    Here’s a scary thought. After 2,000 years of blessedly dwindling appearances in our wardrobes, are skirts about to become a feature of everyday wear for men? There’s some compelling evidence: Marc Jacobs, a long-term man-skirt fan, wore a see-through lace Comme des Garçons dress to the Met Ball the other week, saying, “I just didn’t want to wear a tuxedo and be boring.” London’s Rick Owens store is reporting bumper sales — tantalisingly revealing that one high-profile footballer bought one last week — while Harvey Nichols claims “loads” of men are buying into the skirt trend.

    On the catwalks, a puzzlingly high number of hairy-thighed fellas nobly attempted to style it out in the one thing every non-female, non-Scottish, non-attention junkie resident of the First World has spent the past two centuries trying to avoid. Did these models look nonchalant with the air whipping up their briefs? No, reader, they did not. They looked very chalant indeed. Hardly surprising, given this new breed of man-skirt includes floral numbers and some that were emblazoned with tropical birds. Others were cut above the knee. Butch.

    Obviously, this isn’t the first time the fash pack has tried this gambit. Jean-Paul Gaultier and John Galliano have been hawking them for aeons, but, skirt-wise, 2012 sees the biggest man assault yet. Even Kanye West wore a Givenchy number onstage — though West, so desperate to be trendy these days, has become sartorially incontinent, so perhaps that isn’t a sign of much.

    Yet I am unsure if we can write off the man-skirt thing, as we have in the past. At the least, it’s now an actual fad for braver fashion addicts, in the way that “guyliner” is still kicking around.

    So, at pub-o’clock on Saturday night, I find myself standing behind my front door, shaking like a little girl. The reason I am shaking is because, like a girl, I am wearing a skirt, specifically a £1,000 Givenchy man-skirt, in which I have agreed to throw myself into the city, like fashion bait. Should I be wearing tights, I wonder? Come to think of it, is my underwear okay? The Tube station feels like a long way away.

    I discover, while trying to perch on a low wall that ’coverage’ is a critical issue. An unruly swingometer is a present danger

    “I’ve got a couple of skirts,” Peter Orlov, a 30-year-old City solicitor, had told me. “One is pretty much floor length, and seems to get the most attention.” Never! Anyway, he says he’s been wearing skirts for a few years and — once he mastered getting in and out of taxis — is totally comfortable. “I’ve worn them to birthday drinks, dinners, parties, whatever. I don’t think I’d wear one to Tesco, and I wouldn’t wear it to work, but other than that, why not?” They occasionally titillate, he reckons, but he believes they are no longer taboo.

    “God, I hope he’s right,” I think, stepping out into the street. I’ve chosen the rest of my outfit carefully. Blokey old jumper, boots — anything to deflect from the fact there is unbroken access to my nether regions. Speaking of which, I’ve chosen the snuggest, longest, dullest pair of boxers I own. I will later discover, while trying to perch on a low wall, that “coverage” is a critical issue.

    An unruly swingometer is a clear and present danger. Take note, ladies: if a man in a kilt ever boasts to you that he is going commando, chances are he wants to “accidentally” prove it.

    Tackle in check, I make my way into the night. After a couple of blocks, I summon the courage to look up — and guess what? Nobody is gawping. A couple of women do a double-take, then smile. A chugger at the station says, “Nice skirt, bruv. My best mate is Scottish.” I get on the Tube to Notting Hill and get a couple of stares. But that’s it.

    At my friend’s birthday party, in a cavernous white drawing room with DJ and snootily modish crowd, nobody notices I’m wearing the bloody thing. When I point it out, they’re more impressed by the fact I can afford Givenchy (I can’t, it’s on loan), than the fact that I’m surfing the frontiers of fashion. Relaxed, I actually start to like it. Aside from being too cold to hang about on the balcony and getting stabbed mid-thigh with a cigarette, it doesn’t look too bad at a dimly lit party. Possibly pissed by this point, I fancy myself a modern gladiator.

    Emboldened, a few days later I take it out for a midmorning spin about town. I pop into a Starbucks, loiter at a bus stop and generally prance around trying to get a reaction. Again, nobody cares, though I don’t think the skirt looks so good in daylight. I learn a lesson women have known for years: there’s something slightly tarty about showing this much leg before lunch. I look like I’m doing the walk of shame.

    Timings aside, however, skirts for men are no longer inherently shameful. Somewhere, Gaultier must be cackling with glee. The village shop or rugby-club bar might not be so blasé, but the skirt seems finally to have won, barely raising eyebrows in the big city. The only thing I really minded was the cold, and as tights are another battle altogether, I think man-skirts are best confined to summer wardrobes. Crazy as it sounds, anyone reading this who is under the age of 20 faces a real possibility that, one day in his future, he might walk into a shop and purchase a man-skirt for his summer hols. Gulp. The rest of us might have escaped just in time.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  2. Tom
    Member

    Is the skirt in the arrticle a kilt or something different? When I was in the 12th Fife (East Neuk) Scouts the scouters announced that from the following week extra points would be awarded to all scouts wearing kilts. The next week saw us in a bizarre assortment of borrowed kilts ranging from the then fashionable maxi length to the daringly revealing mini. One of the best laughs we had.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  3. Min
    Member

    I rather like the fact that the wearer seemed a bit worried about the reaction he might get, then a bit annoyed that he didn't really get one at all! :-)

    I googled Givenchy man-skirt and came up with this. It is quite kilt like and rather smart.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  4. Tom
    Member

    So it's a kilt. I'd be surprised if it got any reaction in Edinburgh at all. I used to regularly see a care worker who wore a kilt to work.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  5. Stepdoh
    Member

    If you want to be even more manly, there's the Utilikilt... Comes with pockets...

    http://www.utilikilts.com/

    Posted 12 years ago #
  6. spytfyre
    Member

    utilikilts are cool - but there's something wrong with buying a kilt from America... why not just wear a few medieval style pouches on your belt?
    Like this:

    Posted 12 years ago #
  7. PS
    Member

    Kilts don't really get much of a reaction anywhere (at least until there's a bunch of drunken girls in the vicinity).

    I was most amused by the locals' response to a kilt-wearing stag do in Cologne 8 years or so ago. The stag party were convinced the kilts would guarantee loads of attention on the night out; however, the Koelners did not bat an eyelid.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  8. Darkerside
    Member

    As someone who overheats at the drop of a hat, I really enjoyed the one occasion I was be-kilted. Much cooler, and there's a lot to be said for the big purse equivalent.

    I'm still wondering whether being obviously English is a big enough reason to not start wearing one regularly...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  9. Darkerside
    Member

    @min there's a tshirt on that link for £340... It appears to be white with a light grey pattern.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  10. Roibeard
    Member

    @PS - I found that I caused a stir in Cairns and Mackay (Queensland, Oz).

    Clearly there is less excitement in the Antipodes!

    Robert

    Posted 12 years ago #
  11. Min
    Member

    Darkerside - £340 worth of white and light grey patterns mind you.

    I'm sure.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  12. Darkerside
    Member

    Apologies, I was viewing it on my phone. Now I check it on the big screen I can clearly see that £340 being put to good use :p

    Posted 12 years ago #
  13. Pocopiglet
    Member

    Looks as though you'd have to remain standing at all times with the Givenchy one, as the photo shows lots of creases at the back. Looks like it needs a good press. Doubt it'd have the lovely swing of the pleats when the owner walked too. As for the socks shown ....

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  14. fimm
    Member

    I'm still wondering whether being obviously English is a big enough reason to not start wearing one regularly...
    I have a Welsh friend who wears a kilt - I seem to recall that he got the one he has because a) it was on special offer in some way and b) it goes nicely with his Welsh rugby shirt!

    Another friend says he doesn't wear his kilt as much as he used to because he was getting the sort of attention from women which, if a man were doing it to a woman, would be seen as completely unacceptable. I don't get why women, even if drunk, think it is OK to try and look up a man's kilt...

    Posted 12 years ago #
  15. maninaskirt
    Member

    I found this small picture of the reporter in the article on the S Times website - more an avatar size but it shows the outfit. I think it is a little shorter that the Utilikilt noted above.

    As has been noted above, he is surprised at the lack of any reaction - much the same as my experiences, not just skirted on a bike but generally around town and Tesco and B&Q and many more places - and my skirts are shorter than his! :D

    Oh and you do not have to get one from America - try this link:-

    http://stores.ebay.co.uk/CARSE-OF-GOWRIE-Kilts-and-Kiltmaker/UTILITY-ALTERNATIVE-KILTS-/_i.html?_fsub=575351011&_sid=58335581&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322

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  16. spytfyre
    Member

    Welsh English Irish Scottish, there is nobody who can't or shouldn't wear one, it was invented by the English anyway not the Scots.
    I have two, the one I wore for my wedding and any other wedding I have to go to and the camoflage one I got from a tourist tat shop for £50 which I call my drinking and falling over kilt

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  17. maninaskirt
    Member

    "Welsh English Irish Scottish, there is nobody who can't or shouldn't wear one, it was invented by the English anyway not the Scots." Spytfyre.

    Sad but true but that only refers to the "fèileadh beag" or small kilt was due to a Quaker from Lancashire who was wanting a more practical skirted garment rather than using the more traditional "Great Kilt". The reason was that the "Great kilt" was inconvenient for his workers who were in his charcoal production facility. He brought the great kilt to a Highland tailor and asked him to create a more practical garment for his men. The solution was to cut the kilt in half leaving only the skirted part below the waist.

    It should be noted that the Quaker liked his new garment so much that he wore it as well.

    Much the same as Marc Jacobs nowadays who wears skirts all the time nowadays.

    Posted 12 years ago #
  18. Min
    Member

    Men in skirts news from Sweden.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22828150

    "Our thinking is that one should look decent and proper when representing Arriva and the present uniforms do that. If the man only wants [to wear] a skirt then that is OK," Arriva communications manager Tomas Hedenius told the paper.

    "To tell them to do something else would be discrimination."

    Nice attitude from the company there.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  19. Smudge
    Member

    Sensible attitude, but somehow I doubt we'll see them on uk trains anytime soon!

    Posted 11 years ago #
  20. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Alas, the short-lived hi-viz kilt:

    http://www.building.co.uk/news/hi-vis-kilts-keep-scots-builders-safe/3128808.article

    from Blåkläder workwear, certified to EN471 and everything.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  21. Smudge
    Member

    Lol, good effort, something about the two scotchlite bands make it look more ra-ra than kilt mind you.

    Posted 11 years ago #
  22. maninaskirt
    Member

    Here are some more articles for the man-skirt:-

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/30/men-in-skirts-gender-morphing-neutral
    (A few negative "troll" comments bet generally at least neutral)

    And a recently opened internet outlet (albeit from Canada) who are selling skirts for men now - think they will be opening up International distribution soon - and will post pictures of styles as well.

    http://www.apostrophe.cc/Skirts.htm

    And an old outlet in the UK (Manchester) who I think are still trading despite their website being out of date.

    http://www.midasclothing.com/pages/products.aspx?id=1
    (Quite a few pics and styles here!)

    Posted 11 years ago #

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